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Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by powertower on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @10:15AM (#9929745)
What doesn't add up about the video? She was argumentative from the very beginning, refused to follow an order to get out the vehicle (right or wrong, you have to if stopped in a traffic violation in Texas), and then escalates the situation to the end with physical and verbal combative behavior.

And the story is that because the shitty quality video long after the main event happens has a few frames messed-up - which more than likely originates from technical issues - that this proves that there is something being covered up.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by gizmo on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @10:31AM (#9929834)
The police officer didn't like that the woman was belligerent and wanted to assert his dominance. He ordered her to put out her cigarette and to get out of the car simply to show her who's boss. A clear abuse of authority.

Sandra Bland -- as a citizen -- has no obligation to be polite and deferential. To suggest that her attitude somehow justifies abuse against her is despicable. The police offer escalated the situation at every opportunity, even though it's his job to deescalate, to serve and protect, and to keep the peace.

When dealing with a suspicious suicide of course the public is going to demand whatever raw footage is available. Not a cropped and edited version. It doesn't matter that the edits are probably innocuous. Denying the public the raw footage by itself speaks of arrogance.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by powertower on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @11:11AM (#9930064)
> He ordered her to put out her cigarette and to get out of the car simply to show her who's boss

Or maybe as he was in the traffic lane, and now that she was clearly irate and argumentative, he did not want to stand there waiting to be hit by a car... while trying to explain to her that he was just issuing her a warning with no fine.

> Sandra Bland -- as a citizen -- has no obligation to be polite and deferential.

Except she did have an obligation to comply with the order to get out of the car.

> The police offer escalated the situation at every opportunity

That's a projection of what you want to see.

Once someone disobeys an order, they can arrest you... And when you refuse again, their job is to arrest you.

Being nasty and combative might be your right, but it in no way helps you.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by DanBC on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @11:20AM (#9930117)
> Or maybe as he was in the traffic lane, and now that she was clearly irate and argumentative, he did not want to stand there waiting to be hit by a car... while trying to explain to her that he was just issuing her a warning with no fine.

If he had said "this is just a warning, there's no fine or penalty" (as he did with the first woman) the stop would hae been very much shorter.

His own actions prolonged the length of time that he was standing in the road. His own needless power-tripping prolonged the stop.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @07:02PM (#9932932)
At 12:59 he says "this right here says a warning", he's clearly exasperated with her for forcing the whole thing. He was writing the ticket out presumably - if she'd made that possible he'd have been happy to leave. She protested way too much.

Around 11:50 she says "scared of a female - I was trying to sign the fucking ticket", suggesting that she considers that some action she performed was something he was scared of. I guess this was the reason he asked her to get out of the car.

She says "I can't wait until we go to court" refuses to stand still, refuses to listen to his responses, refuses to stand in view of the camera where he tries to put her. At 8:58 when he notes explicitly she seems "very irritated" I'm assuming, and with the subsequent search, that he's considering she's hiding something that warrants further investigation (like drug-driving?).

>His own needless power-tripping prolonged the stop. //

It doesn't seem like this to me. Assuming the stop was valid - and in none of the footage did I hear her say it wasn't - then what should he do, just ignore the ticket because she won't comply?

From a sister article (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sandra-bland-arrest-expe...):

>"In hindsight, [Retired Los Angeles Police Capt.] Meyer said, it may have been better to wait for backup. “The lady seemed committed to her resistance to lawful detention and arrest, so the presence of a backup unit might not have made much difference,” he said.

“This is yet another case of someone who chooses to illegally resist the directions of a police officer, thus escalating the situation, “ he said." //

That's exactly how this reads to me.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by FireBeyond on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @02:21PM (#9931355)
"Or maybe as he was in the traffic lane, and now that she was clearly irate and argumentative, he did not want to stand there waiting to be hit by a car... while trying to explain to her that he was just issuing her a warning with no fine."

That's a non sequitur. She said "I'm in my car. Why do I have to put out my cigarette". His immediate reply was "Ok, then I'm telling you to get out of the car", implying cause and effect.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by unprepare on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @12:00PM (#9930387)
What about this officers actions lead to increased safety and peace for the public of waller county?
Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by unclebucknasty on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @02:29PM (#9931405)
This is a great comment. For all the handwringing about what Ms. Bland should or should not have done, and what an officer is or is not allowed to do, we seem to forget that the officer's job is to protect and to promote public safety.

In all of the recent cases that have made the news, this question seems to go unposed, when it should be a litmus test WRT the overall approach to policing.

Instead, we have a culture that shifts the conversation to one about what the officer and victim each did as the situation escalated.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @07:31PM (#9933054)
The problem you have here is you're presuming that the officers suspicions are invalid. If you're lawfully stopped and you act suspiciously shouldn't an LEO investigate further?

If the apparent exaggerated agitation was due to say drug-driving then the officer will have made a potential increase in the "safety and peace for the public". There is no way for them to find the facts without questioning the person and their refusal to comply peaceably makes it impossible.

If you're going to stop people for road-traffic offences, which does appear to increase safety, then do you really want LEO to let people off if they're obnoxious and evasive?

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by slipjack on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @11:38AM (#9930236)
> And when you refuse again, their job is to arrest you.

Not really. Their job is to assess the situation and see if it make sense to arrest the person. In most cases, the answer is that it doesn't.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by PavlovsCat on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @03:06PM (#9931639)
> he did not want to stand there waiting to be hit by a car... while trying to explain to her that he was just issuing her a warning with no fine.

Except asking her to put out her cigarette kind of seems to imply he intended to stay in her face for a good while longer.

> Being nasty and combative might be your right, but it in no way helps you.

Same for being an apologist for this. People have the right to be that way; I don't have the right to let them.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by fixxer on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @10:27AM (#9929808)
So, an activist dies in Texas and the video is fubar in not one, but two separate situations and that does not impress the potential for foul play on you? Combine with the fact that she was pulled over for a completely minor infraction that two white, Republican cops in my family think is complete bullshit.

Like I said, it warrants further investigation.

Personally, I think it was a hit, but that is besides the point of my earlier comment.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by valar_m on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @10:22AM (#9929773)
Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by Pinckney on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @10:59AM (#9929991)
I watched the video too.

If someone edited the video, why did they choose to make their cuts at times where cars or people are in scene? They would have gone unnoticed had they occurred a few seconds earlier. Who would be so stupid?

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by FireBeyond on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @02:27PM (#9931394)
I use the Rising Sun hypothesis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_(novel) - release a nearly hour long video that is for the very large part boring. Continuous audio so someone can zone out and not hear anything odd - it's a lot easier to hear abrupt audio changes with low concentration than to notice a video 'flicker'.

In Rising Sun there's a slightly different polemic. A security video from a murder is edited before being given to the police (albeit more sophisticated in editing), and the detective takes offense to the assumption that it wouldn't be noticed, because of a (stereotype) Japanese attention to detail and an American indifference.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by orclev on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @01:55PM (#9931190)
We can't really say until/unless someone can find the unedited footage. Without knowing what's contained in the missing parts of the video it's all speculation. A number of people have speculated that the parts that got clipped are when the officer is conferring on the radio to try to fabricate a plausible series of events that would justify his arresting her since up until he gives her the order to step out of the car (presumably to arrest her) he has no actual justification for arresting her (cart before the horse). You can't be arrested solely for resisting arrest, so he had to come up with some sort of charge that he could claim that occurs prior to his asking her to get out of the car. In his arrest report apparently he claimed she kicked him, which in light of the video evidence is clearly BS, but whoever edited the video was probably worried that if too much of the video goes missing some very pointed questions would be asked. A small blip is more likely to be excused as a "technical glitch" particularly if the majority of the stop was captured.
Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by valar_m on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @11:07AM (#9930034)
I suspect it's something akin to risking a tampering with evidence charge by hiding a body.
Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by Pinckney on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @01:35PM (#9931057)
I'm not asking why they might want to tamper with evidence. The motive for doing so is obvious. I'm asking why, if they did decide to tamper with evidence, did they do such a bad job of it? If they were already editing the video, why didn't they make their edits at times where they wouldn't be obvious?
Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by unclebucknasty on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @02:40PM (#9931470)
That's obvious right? Perhaps the frames that needed to be edited out weren't conveniently conducive to a seamless end product. And, editing out too much wasn't an option for obvious reasons.

But, as another commenter stated, we can't know the answer until we know what the original video holds.

Interestingly, if they then release the full video which shows nothing, then suspicions around the overall case will presumably be calmed. That would make me wonder if it was an intentional red herring to engender more trust and reduce suspicion around her eventual death. After all, why else release obviously edited video that would raise suspicion only to later quell it with unedited footage that was always available?

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by DanBC on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @02:42PM (#9931489)
> Interestingly, if they then release the full video which shows nothing, then suspicion's around the overall case will presumably be calmed.

Sadly their actions have created suspicion. Further releases of video will be doubted by a wide range of people, from calm but cautious scrutineers to rabid conspiracy theorists.

Truth doesn't matter at that point.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by unclebucknasty on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @03:06PM (#9931640)
Absolutely. OTOH, the far weightier suspicion is around the eventual death of Ms. Bland. An effective PR strategy might be to do something relatively ancillary that heightens the overall degree of suspicion. You then unequivocally address the ancillary issue (i.e. by rleasing the full video), which has the effect of reducing suspicion overall, including on the far weightier issue. That is, people think "Hey, maybe these guys aren't so bad. Maybe we are just jumping the gun".

Not saying this is happening. But, if the full video suddenly comes out and is "all-clear", then the police department will certainly receive that benefit, whether intentional or not.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by daveloyall on Friday July 24, 2015 @07:12PM (#9945792)
Sorry I'm late to the conversation. You know that video is made out a series of frames so maybe you can't put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn't.

Maybe the editing was accomplished via an interface that just had a time slider.

Maybe the minimum resolution was 1 second, or five seconds...

Hell, maybe the best tech they had was the "use two VCRs, push play on one and push record on the other, push pause at the beginning and end of the segment you want to remove" method. ;)

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by rarrarrarr on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @10:26AM (#9929803)
Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by iandanforth on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @10:25AM (#9929794)
Please watch the third video on the page. Someone edited in a loop of footage that goes on for minutes. Not "a few frames."
Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by powertower on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @10:55AM (#9929958)
The video that happens 30 minutes after the interaction between the officer and the women is done and over with?

Sure, its looped a few times. And the update is that they are re-uploading it.

Re:Sandra Bland arrest video has continuity problems, anomalies by jayvanguard on Wednesday July 22, 2015 @10:24AM (#9929792)
A few frames messed up? Did you read the article and watch the videos? That can't happen by accident.