I'm actually reading the book Brothers by David Talbot right now. It covers the relationship between John and Bobby Kennedy and includes a pretty good section about how in the 50s the Dulles brothers basically dictated foreign policy. There was a lot of friction when JFK came into office because, especially after the Bay of Pigs, he didn't let them get away with things.

The book does veer somewhat into unfounded conspiracy territory, but I think it's an interesting read so far and the author doesn't come across as crazy so much as skeptical.

> There was a lot of friction when JFK came into office because, especially after the Bay of Pigs, he didn't let them get away with things.

And there is the essence of why we want transparency, oversight, restricted privacy etc. I generally feel that if everything the security services did was publically available (at least on level with civilian police) there would be a lot of friction but they would get immersurably better.

I don't see why gorgak's comment got flagged unto death. The Dulles brothers caused the term "banana republic" to be coined by O. Henry because the US government was toppling governments and killing large numbers of people on behalf of United Fruit. It is also generally accepted that the Communism scare they put up was bunk.

He's been hell banned I believe. Anything he posts is automatically killed.