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Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by netcan on Thursday December 10, 2009 @02:50AM (#987514)
We are getting into a slightly subtle territory here, but basically what I am saying is "Yes, inherent is a problem. But, we usually can't avoid it when we are talking about morally fundamental things."

The subtle place we parted (I think) is where you interpreted "inherent" as meaning something about people, their feelings, attitudes, etc. I (he, really) meant it in a more abstract sense.

I'm not sure if this is something that reflects your general world-view, but you are taking a very relativist position. You are equating moral with subjective attitudes. That is OK of course, but it is a minority view.

(BTW, I'm not agreeing with the author, just commenting on the position he has taken)

Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by dejb on Thursday December 10, 2009 @09:02AM (#987823)
> That is OK of course, but it is a minority view.

Probably in the general population but I would have though it a fairly typical attitude of those who ponder these issues in depth with an open mind.

I should add that a great part of my relativistic attitude is informed by what I see as a great and inherent evil occurring in the world that apparently very few others seem to be bothered about - human caused animal suffering on a mass scale. I sometimes wonder if those who do not find this inherently bad can truly be sentient beings - but logic dictates that they are. Acknowledging that others don't share your point of view does not imply inaction in moral issues.

Re:Schneier's response to Eric Schmidt by netcan on Thursday December 10, 2009 @05:46PM (#988749)
With some relativist positions it does mandate inaction. They are not very popular outside of very academic applications. One could argue that this is the true or strong relativist position.

The place where relativist-like arguments are popular is with anthropologist evolutionist thinkers. From there perspective treating ethics as simply human traits, like a taste for sugar or music. They rarely attempt the normative leap though, go from a relativist argument to a 'you should do this' position.

Most vegetarian thinkers tend to be utilitarians. Most people are instinctively utilitarian & deontologist. When these come into conflict (kill a baby to save a village, harvest organs from unwilling person to save 5 people) they feel conflicted.