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Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by ams6110 on Friday July 10, 2015 @10:11PM (#9868185)
The surging cost of U.S. college tuition has an unlikely culprit: the generosity of the government’s student-aid program

Unlikely?? Are you kidding me? Did we learn nothing from the 2008 housing bubble?

Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by adventured on Friday July 10, 2015 @10:29PM (#9868242)
The only people that still consider this unlikely, or otherwise try to hide from the obvious government inflation cause, are those with a vested stake in the status quo. That includes an awful lot of people, from university employees, to general educators, to most people on the left politically, to the US Government that prints $50 billion a year in profit from the debt scheme, to anyone connected to the college book industry, to anyone working in student loans in the private sector - millions of people have their livelihoods directly tied to perpetual government education cost inflation.
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by _red on Friday July 10, 2015 @10:49PM (#9868297)
Corrupt regimes always get the intelligentsia on its side either via threat or in this case bribery.
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by shillno1138 on Friday July 10, 2015 @10:17PM (#9868205)
Many people have been stating the root cause of this bubble for over a decade. Discussion and debate in the US is dead, as the left will not engage in anything that could alter their voter base, and the incentives provided to them.
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by ubernostrum on Friday July 10, 2015 @10:23PM (#9868223)
Many people have been saying for a long time, on "the left", that the fact the government guarantees repayment of loans even if the borrower declares bankruptcy is a classic case of actual moral hazard (wherein improper guarantees to make a lender whole no matter what lead to irresponsible lending, since there are no negative consequences for the lender). Which in turn gets us to where we are now: since the lenders know they can lend essentially any amount and get guaranteed repayment, there's no pressure from lack of lending to keep tuition down.
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by mindslight on Friday July 10, 2015 @10:57PM (#9868315)
It's exactly the same moral hazard as with home loans. There, the bank repossesses and sells the underlying asset so the only time they can ever lose is if housing prices crash. Presumably student loans are secured-by-fiat for precisely this reason.

Financial gamers inherently desire airtight abstractions so they can leverage the heck out of them. But this doesn't mean they should get this wish, since the purpose of the financial system isn't simply to perpetuate itself but to optimize for people.

Everyone needs a place to live, so under financial primacy the only limit on housing prices in a developed area is the economic rent on the principal. A college degree is worth a heck of a lot over one's lifetime, so the fully-optimized market solution is for most of that surplus to go to the credentialer.

In all cases of secured credit, the effect is for prices to rise such that things that used to be able to be owned are instead rented by most people.

Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by sliverstorm on Friday July 10, 2015 @11:48PM (#9868449)
It's exactly the same moral hazard as with home loans. There, the bank repossesses and sells the underlying asset so the only time they can ever lose is if housing prices crash.

... are you arguing against secured loans?

Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by mindslight on Saturday July 11, 2015 @01:03AM (#9868599)
I'm not not. Something has to change to break the positive feedback loop for loans on limited-supply assets, to restore the concept of ownership.

Destroying 'collateral would be quite drastic. I'm pointing out that it is equivalent to making student loans non-secured, regardless that one arises out of contracts and the other from more recent lobbying.

Simpler would be to eliminate banks conjuring money from thin air, or perhaps to just raise interest rates to the point that essentially interest-only loans once again become untenable.

Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by rhizome on Saturday July 11, 2015 @01:21AM (#9868629)
There are countries with higher standards of living where financial institutions are uninvolved in the world of education.
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by roel_v on Saturday July 11, 2015 @05:56AM (#9869215)
Which ones?
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by ufo on Saturday July 11, 2015 @07:37AM (#9869396)
All the countries where university is publicly funded and you don't have to pay for it?
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by johnminter on Saturday July 11, 2015 @10:21AM (#9869848)
One example is Germany. I was talking with a German friend of mine at lunch and he noted that they are "tracked" after grade 8. Some go to trade school. Then (IIRC) there are two university tracks - one more prestigious (and more stressful) than the other. The egalitarians in the US would never stand for this.

That said, we cannot continue to fund the system we have which according to R. Arum's Academically Adrift, leaves many students with a mountain of debt and few marketable skills. As the authors of "Paying for the Party" note, these students had a great time but learned little. Both books (and Arum's follow up book tracking graduates) are sobering reads...

Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by roel_v on Saturday July 11, 2015 @08:10AM (#9869459)
Yeah, so tell me: which ones?
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by ufo on Saturday July 11, 2015 @09:10PM (#9872194)
Here in Brazil federal and state universities charge no tuition.
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by roel_v on Sunday July 12, 2015 @04:33AM (#9872914)
No offense, but the GP's premise was "There are countries with higher standards of living..." [etc].
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by olefoo on Saturday July 11, 2015 @01:17AM (#9868619)
He is arguing against government guarantees of loan performance and profitability.
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by eastWestMath on Friday July 10, 2015 @10:35PM (#9868256)
I mean, we have similar programs in Canada and it isn't a problem...
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by joshbuddy on Friday July 10, 2015 @10:46PM (#9868285)
Canadian universities are all public though.
Re:Student Loans May Be Driving the Tuition Explosion by anti-shill on Saturday July 11, 2015 @01:47AM (#9868698)
"Did we learn nothing from the 2008 housing bubble?"

there is an old saying--it is hard to get a man to understand something when not understanding is vital to his livelihood.

In other words, many of the rich and powerful people and institutions that own, control and influence the media, and on whose support the corporate media requires, make their living off the higher education scam.

This "economy" depends on americans going into debt.

The corporate media is not going to be too hard on or notice too much about this scam.