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Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by bduerst on Thursday July 09, 2015 @04:21PM (#9860417)
I spent some time doing work in rural NW Iowa, and I remember the sheer number of gravel roads that are run between the fields. (They are great for running on too)

How does the maintenance per mile between gravel roads and paved roads compare? Does this article apply to both?

Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by jmadsen on Thursday July 09, 2015 @05:00PM (#9860644)
From northern Wisconsin here - I always had the impression growing up that gravel roads became gutted with potholes from the snow after a few winters if not maintained, and generally pretty horrible. Especially in WI, our small roads are "milk roads" where they drive the heavy milk trucks in for collection.

Certainly like the idea of cutting back unnecessary expenses, but I'd also like to see some data on this.

Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by david-given on Thursday July 09, 2015 @06:30PM (#9861126)
In Australia, there are lots of dirt tracks, and it's standard to regrade them ever year after the rainy season. (At which point they're pretty much impassable.)

But those are dirt roads, which are not the same thing as a proper, old-fashioned gravel Macadam road. They can be excellent, and are pretty easy to maintain --- if potholes develop, fill them promptly with the right grade of gravel --- but don't do high speed traffic well. (Gravel is flung up by the wheels, which was why they started gluing it down with tar --- hence tarmac, or tarmacadam.)

Can find a good video of a grader in action, so here's a bad one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFoN5LD0Q-w

Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by bkjelden on Friday July 10, 2015 @12:17AM (#9862269)
In the parts of the US discussed in this thread - there really isn't a rainy season. They get moisture pretty much year round - snow in the winter, rain in the summer.

So more frequent gradings are needed if the traffic is heavy enough.

Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by stephencanon on Thursday July 09, 2015 @06:44PM (#9861184)
Surely you have frost heaves in Wisconsin? Aren't paved roads severely potholed by your winters as well?
Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by jmadsen on Saturday July 11, 2015 @04:44PM (#9871494)
oh, definitely! simply trying to remember back to what the gravel roads were like (been a while since I've lived there)

I seem to recall they get pretty awful, and ones that are not proper county roads become impassable at normal driving speeds

Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by toomuchtodo on Thursday July 09, 2015 @04:57PM (#9860633)
Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by bduerst on Thursday July 09, 2015 @05:58PM (#9860990)
So for comparison of 50-yr maintenance costs (in Maine):

- Low-use gravel roads are ~50% of paved road maintenance cost.

- Moderate-use gravel roads are ~350% of paved road maintenance cost.

Yikes.

Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by toomuchtodo on Thursday July 09, 2015 @06:40PM (#9861163)
TL;DR Road maintenance is expensive, and the bill is about to come due.
Re:Iowa Makes a Bold Admission: We Need Fewer Roads by eitally on Thursday July 09, 2015 @09:35PM (#9861851)
And the scary thing is that it's not just road maintenance. It's sewer/water, electricity, and bridges, too. There has been so much exurbian expansion in the past two decades where the initial infrastructure costs were paid by the developer but then handed over to the town/county/state for maintenance. The municipalities count on property taxes to cover the cost, but with A) the real estate crash in many markets, and B) a general recession and a move of many younger earners back to urban areas, that money just isn't there.