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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by Someone1234 on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @11:10AM (#9852031)
Little bit of a tangent here: Is Bing doing well? We all agree that XBox is a huge success, but given that Bing just gave away its display advertising to AOL all to gain trivial market share, and is still paying users $5/month to use Bing, you have to wonder if Bing is really successful or just held up.

I actually don't "hate" Bing. I find their answers to questions directly in results slightly better than Google's version of the same. But I still use Google as they have more historical search data to utilise so results remain more accurate (and will almost indefinitely). Bing also seems to choke on technical queries and special characters more often.

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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by emodendroket on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @11:44AM (#9852314)
> We all agree that XBox is a huge success,

Do we? Aren't people constantly speculating about them spinning it off because it's a loser?

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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by amaks on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @01:01PM (#9853027)
Is Xbox even out of the red already?
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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by this_user on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:55PM (#9853881)
They allegedly were losing around $2B/year before the last model. The XBox One launch cost them $400M in the first 8 months.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-07-huge-xbox-l...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/xbox-one-has-raked-400-million-loss...

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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by IndianAstronaut on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @11:39AM (#9852276)
Bing may he a failure but it may hold on to certain niche searches like adult content.
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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by sremani on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @12:00PM (#9852449)
Bing is powering Yahoo, Bing/Cortana and Siri. With Windows 10 having baked in Cortana, Bing will a lot more footprint. Bing is the farthest thing from failure, they are making money as of now, the whole sinking money into bing and xbox is really really old news.
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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by deciplex on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @12:16PM (#9852631)
That depends on Windows 10 being a huge success, and they are kind of fucking it up. Aside from the interface still apparently missing the point, I don't think a lot of people appreciated the ad/nag showing up in their system tray. I will put off getting W10 for at least a year for that alone.

(Candy Crush isn't helping much, either.)

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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by AdamTReineke on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @12:50PM (#9852935)
And AOL too after the deal last week. "In a second part of the deal, Microsoft’s Bing search engine will replace Google on AOL for the next 10 years."

http://thevarguy.com/business-technology-solution-sales/0707...

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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by 0xFFC on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @11:59AM (#9852446)
No one is going to beat google , until they manage to put their own search engine on peoples home page and replace Google.Until that day comes , Everybody know google is almost unbeatable ( does not matter how much you push , google will not defeat , because their income resource is somewhere else ).Microsoft realized that very soon , that because they created their own search engine.and abandoning Bing is almost will end up Microsoft's death.Every body know google wants everything , And they will come after Windows(Microsoft last line defense) with their ChromeOS or specialized version of Android(which will be cloud based).
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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by magicalist on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @01:41PM (#9853353)
> No one is going to beat google , until they manage to put their own search engine on peoples home page and replace Google

IE is still very popular and defaults to Bing. Firefox is very popular and now defaults to Yahoo or Yandex or Baidu depending on the country you're in...

> does not matter how much you push , google will not defeat, because their income resource is somewhere else

The majority of their revenue is advertising, and the majority of the advertising revenue comes from search ads, so search is exactly where their revenue is coming from.

> and abandoning Bing is almost will end up Microsoft's death

huh? I don't see how that could possibly be true.

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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by 0xFFC on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:34PM (#9853736)
>IE is still very popular and defaults to Bing. Firefox is very popular and now defaults to Yahoo or Yandex or Baidu depending on the country you're in...

That's not true . (maybe IE is more popular in some corner of the world , or among some users but) We all know in search engine market share , google is ruler and leader, without even a serious competitor. (recently maybe bing become a little more viable). Does not matter you (as company) put yahoo or anything else in your browser default homepage , most people will use/switch to google. Need for search engine will be increase with Internet and population growth.And I think this will end up with Google's exponential growth in compare with Apple or Microsoft linear growth.

> The majority of their revenue is advertising, and the majority of the advertising revenue comes from search ads, so search is exactly where their revenue is coming from.

Yes , exactly , because of that they don't care if they create some "free" OS better than Windows. Like what they did with Android. They just want better IT industry , better OS , better PC. Because with increasing IT users , their revenue will increase.

>huh? I don't see how that could possibly be true.

I see this problem in reverse order , with Microsoft giving up on bing, Google will end up without any serious threat to its income and core market share. And recent years already proved my , Google wants everything , after a while their ChromeOS will be viable replacement for Windows.They will push gaming on Android. and etc etc etc , and after years mayble Microsoft will end up where Companies like Novel are today .

But these are my view , I could be wrong.

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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by Retric on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @01:27PM (#9853242)
Anyone can beat Google as soon as they produce better search results. More than once I have had a device / software switch to another search engine and the difference is really obvious even if the UI is not.
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Re:Microsoft to Cut Jobs, Take $7.6B Nokia Writedown by 0xFFC on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:16PM (#9853616)
This was exactly my point , Maybe because my English people got me wrong. Google's (as company) lives depend on Google Search. and as soon as better search engine emerge , Google will be defeat badly .
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