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Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by pjc50 on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @10:42AM (#9845722)
I think this comes down to the difference between banning things that nobody really wants (lead in paint) versus things that people really want (drugs, alcohol). In America, guns are in the second category.

Politicians think encryption is in the first category.

Edit: given how this discussion is going, I think we're back to the idea that encryption should be classified as a weapon in the US and subject to second amendment protection, as the 2nd is much more strongly defended than the 4th or 5th or even the 1st. (This argument obviously doesn't make any sense in the UK, where we should lean on article 1 and 6 ECHR). A country where you can have an AR-15 but not AES-CBC makes no sense, but we have to work with the politics as they are.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2044529/decryption-orders-cou...

Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by JoshTriplett on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @11:39AM (#9846093)
> Politicians think encryption is in the first category.

Not necessarily; I don't think they're quite stupid enough to think that encryption is not needed. (Perhaps once upon a time that was the case, when encryption was a munition regulated by ITAR.)

Rather, politicians are under the impression that it is, or should be, possible to have encryption that protects against anyone except their own government, that that's something they should get to ask for in the first place, and that that's just as good as un-broken encryption. None of those things are true, but good luck telling a politician that something necessarily needs to be beyond their control in order to function correctly.

Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by wl on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @12:58PM (#9846618)
The first amendment is actually far more strongly defended than the second. It's settled law at this point that exceptions to the first amendment must pass strict scrutiny, which means that there must be a compelling government interest in play, the restriction must be narrowly tailored to protect just that interest, and the restriction must be the least restrictive way possible to protect that interest. In practice, few laws pass strict scrutiny. In contrast, courts are still hashing out which level of scrutiny must be used when deciding second amendment cases.
Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by JupiterMoon on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @11:23AM (#9845997)
> Politicians think encryption is in the first category.

This -- until people realise that their online banking is not secure without encryption. That puts it firmly into the second category for many people.

(It's my experience that people are more worried about their money than their dick pics.)

Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by cesarb on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @11:42AM (#9846109)
> This -- until people realise that their online banking is not secure without encryption.

For some time, only online banking was allowed to use strong encryption on the web. There was a special kind of certificate, which could be issued only to financial organizations, which told browsers they were allowed to use strong cipher suites.

Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by jessaustin on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @11:42AM (#9846110)
(It's my experience that people are more worried about their money than their dick pics.)

For one thing, most people have at least some money, while the desire to photograph one's genitals (and especially, after having done so, to keep the results private) is relatively rare.

Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by dpeck on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @12:06PM (#9846286)
honestly, with the economy as it is today and the growth of social media based image/sexting/hookup services I'd argue the opposite is true.
Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by elektromekatron on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @02:47PM (#9847357)
They'll probably be the next generation of internet currency.
Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by marcosdumay on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @02:59PM (#9847410)
> I think we're back to the idea that encryption should be classified as a weapon in the US and subject to second amendment protection

I never understood that position. Based on the argument that encryption is a mechanism for speech, why not classify it as speech?

Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by pluma on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @04:53PM (#9848030)
Encryption is like armor for information. Armor is a weapon.

Don't ask.

Re:Code Specialists Oppose U.S. and British Access to Encryp... by pjc50 on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @05:04PM (#9848094)
It's not an entirely serious position.