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Re:This Industry is Fucked by wpietri on Monday July 06, 2015 @10:09AM (#9839166)
Nobody is blaming you. They are asking you to take responsibility for your professional community. Will you?
Re:This Industry is Fucked by i_are_smart on Monday July 06, 2015 @12:53PM (#9840442)
But is it really my community? The 'tech industry' is very broad - a software engineer at Google, a computer engineer at IBM, a Sysadmin at AT&T, a computer scientist at Volvo - they're all considered members of the tech industry.

Half of the industry has probably never attended a conference of any sort. 3/4 of the industry probably don't have personal blogs, or a GitHub.

There's no bar association or union or anything. You don't even need a degree to get hired. Grouping, say, an embedded systems specialist and a PHP dev into the 'tech community' is like grouping a welder and an auto mechanic into the 'construction community'. There are similarities, sure, but very little influence between groups.

Re:This Industry is Fucked by wpietri on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @11:20AM (#9845977)
It may not be your community, but it's definitely mine. Any community has subcommunities, just like any city has neighborhoods.
Re:This Industry is Fucked by TTPrograms on Monday July 06, 2015 @12:06PM (#9840091)
>Nobody is blaming you.

>The Industry Is Fucked.

That's my industry that's fucked. Not some random people on the internet, not some assholes in a convention. The statement is that the entire industry that I participate in, interact with and identify with is fucked.

Re:This Industry is Fucked by daveloyall on Monday July 06, 2015 @04:53PM (#9842113)
Nobody is blaming you. They are asking you to take responsibility for your professional community. Will you?
Re:This Industry is Fucked by TTPrograms on Monday July 06, 2015 @07:13PM (#9842745)
You really need to rephrase, because the way I read this statement is contradictory:

Responsibility: the state of being the person who caused something to happen.

Blame: to say or think that a person or thing is responsible for something bad that has happened.

I think what you want to say is that we're asking people to stand against this sort of abuse, which seems to be happening to the extent possible. If you have suggestions for further steps to stop this sort of thing I think everyone is all ears, but the language you're using suggests random programmers and sysadmins should write long blog posts taking responsibility for negative acts of which they had no part and are against. That seems both pointless and somewhat insulting.

Re:This Industry is Fucked by wpietri on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @11:25AM (#9846009)
One meaning of "responsible" is basically synonymous with blame, but that's not the only meaning, or even the primary one.

If some random litters on my lawn and then walks away, they are to blame for the mess, but I am responsible for cleaning it up because it's my lawn.

As another example, there are plenty of American citizens who argued fervently against the Iraq war, so they aren't to blame for it, but they are responsible for paying the debts that result from it.

You and I are not necessarily to blame for the sexism and misogyny in the tech industry. But personally, I want the industry to be a welcoming place for everybody with technical skill, not just dude with thick skins. So I am taking my share of responsibility for my professional community. Would you like to help?

Re:This Industry is Fucked by AnimalMuppet on Monday July 06, 2015 @07:22PM (#9842772)
Here's the thing: accountability/responsibility must match control.

Can I stop all this? No. I'd like to, but I can't. Then there is no realistic way that I can take responsibility for it.

Can I call out whatever I see? Sure can. That I'm responsible for.

Re:This Industry is Fucked by wpietri on Tuesday July 07, 2015 @11:28AM (#9846027)
It is optimal when responsibility and control match, but they rarely do. E.g., parents have much more responsibility for children than they have control. Citizens and city governments have a responsibility to keep garbage off the streets, but they don't have perfect control of who can put garbage on the streets.

If you are doing what you can to solve the problem, then you have already taken your share responsibility for the state of the industry.