News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Ask HN: How do I go about responsibly disclosing security... by tptacek on Sunday July 05, 2015 @04:40PM (#9834853)
A week is no time whatsoever.

Lots of people routinely publish vulnerabilities; anecdotally, if you do it the same way everyone else does, I think your risk is probably minimal.

Some thoughts:

* Have a calendar and stick to it. If it's 90 days from acknowledged contact, don't publish anything for 90 days.

* Be careful about upselling services (my advice: simply don't do it). If you're effectively breaking someone's terms of services by testing (spoiler: you probably are) and you "ask" for a service contract in return for doing something favorable (ie, not doing something unfavorable) with the results of that testing, you're being coercive. Doing something unlawful to coerce someone into giving you something of value is extortion. Don't extort people.

* Be extremely careful testing other people's sites. The short answer to "is it lawful to test someone's site" is, "probably not". If they've posted a bug bounty or a list of thank-yous to researchers, you can reasonably infer that they're allowing remote testing --- but if your testing crashes their site or compromises user data, all bets are off.

* Do not under any circumstances post actual user information, sanitized or otherwise.

* Do not post exploit code, or information that makes exploitation trivial. If the world doesn't believe you about the severity of your finding, get better at gauging severity, or become a better writer.

If it were me, I'd probably sketch out a policy as follows:

* A calendar and set of escalations for confirmation of a finding --- first contact in order to find a safe way to relay the finding, escalating to public (Twitter) requests for someone to relay the finding to (maybe 2-3 business days later), escalating to simply sending the finding to public support addresses (maybe a week later). With no acknowledgement of a finding after, like, a month, I might escalate to posting the name of the company and a SHA2 hash of the finding, repeatedly confirming the finding every other week or so, and then maybe a month later more details on what the finding enables (the "Phone numbers. Names. Location." thing you wrote here, I would not write for a long time.)

* Once the finding is confirmed, a simple schedule for public announcement. Maybe 30-90 days, depending, on generating a patch, and then N days after than for an announcement on my blog or whatever. If we're doing a coordinated announcement where you send a bulletin that credits me and agrees with my assessment of the finding, maybe I'll give you an extra 30 days after the patch if you want it. If I'm the only one who announces, maybe I'm announcing 5 days after the patch. Things like that.

The important things are:

1. Write a policy and stick to it.

2. Get the vulnerability confirmed before you announce it.

3. Negotiate with the vendor to minimize harm.

Again: be especially careful when you're testing someone's servers. The law is generally pretty supportive of testing software you personally install, but not at all supportive of you testing software on other people's machines.

Re:Ask HN: How do I go about responsibly disclosing security... by sarciszewski on Sunday July 05, 2015 @08:18PM (#9835832)
This post is the best answer you can ask for.

I spend a lot of time poking at software I can install on my own device (i.e. open source) because I've made the mistake of testing someone else's server (CFAA violation) then going public about it (which gave them incentive to prosecute). Don't make my mistake.

Re:Ask HN: How do I go about responsibly disclosing security... by dsacco on Sunday July 05, 2015 @10:41PM (#9836397)
I wish this was the top level post. OP, this is exactly what you should be doing.

If I could add my own top level post - just don't do any penetration testing on applications you have not received explicit permission to test on.

Would you like it if someone did you a favor by breaking into your house, explaining to you that your security is crap, and then justifying it by saying that they should be thanked because they didn't steal anything and they're doing you a favor?

No. You'd be annoyed. Don't look for security vulnerabilities when you haven't been explicitly tasked with doing so (unless there is a bug bounty or explicit responsible disclosure policy).

Also, seriously, don't offer your services after you find a vulnerability. Even if you don't think it's extortion, a jury would probably disagree with you. Imagine how it would feel to receive an email explaining you have a serious security flaw, and "oh by the way hire me because I'm great at this."

Re:Ask HN: How do I go about responsibly disclosing security... by nstart on Monday July 06, 2015 @03:38AM (#9837439)
So here's a question on a metaphor that seems closer to the current scenario. Imagine a bank that's promising to deliver a secure service but leaving the safes unlocked and account holders' files lying around. The current issue I discovered actually falls under that with user data being publicly exposed with no extra steps required to get it. No hacks over here. Going back to the metaphor, assume everyone else believes their money is safely locked away and their account information secure. At this point, you tell the bank that they have this problem. Don't you also have a moral obligation to tell the public they are not as safe as they thought they were? Doesn't that moral obligation increase the longer the problem remains unresolved?

I'm really not looking for any thank yous here (and not suggesting that that was insinuated). I just want to help people and I would like to do my part to ensure society is safe. This information being pulled by a more malicious source could be incredibly damaging.

As for the services offering. Wouldn't dream of it. Totally onboard with everyone on that :).

Re:Ask HN: How do I go about responsibly disclosing security... by logicallee on Sunday July 05, 2015 @06:43PM (#9835397)
This is an absolutely fantastic post. Not just legally, but morally as well. It doesn't just outline the legally correct thing to do, but the morally right thing to do as well.

It's what separates a responsible researcher who improves security for all, from a petty cyber criminal. +1 on the above advice.