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Re:A Year of Spaced Repetition Software in the Classroom by 1123581321 on Sunday July 05, 2015 @01:37PM (#9834227)
I used to be very excited about spaced repetition, but haven't taken it as seriously in several years. Yes, it is superior to more ordinary methods of quizzing vocabulary, and I would still use it if I had to pass a vocabulary/fact test on a subject I didn't care about.

As a method of developing real competency in a subject or practice, though, it offers none of the benefits of immersion as it keeps the student just on the edge of full engagement (and if we add immersion, we lose the time-savings that spaced repetition offers.) It introduces a fragility into the student's schedule that make lapses in 'discipline' more likely (not everyone has a teacher and regular subject periods to keep them on task.) For anything beyond basic key-value learning, it requires too many contortions and restatements of the subject -- to fit the format -- to be feasible for many students/subjects. The packaged decks available online help but usually don't meet the needs of the specific course or subject concentration the student requires. We can introduce variability to space how to solve a problem instead of a 'what' answer, but then we need to consider muscle memory, developing intuition and other things that the spaced repetition model does not address.

Re:A Year of Spaced Repetition Software in the Classroom by flowlikeh2o on Sunday July 05, 2015 @06:34PM (#9835345)
This is why SRS is a tool but not a complete solution. In medical school, there is such an enormous amount of material to commit to memory (specifically for board exams) that a lot of students find SRS very helpful. It is possible (I did this for a little bit in the beginning) to rely on it too much and therefore not be able to make the connections needed, be it on an exam or in real life. There's an art to making good flashcards- knowing which context to test a fact in, how to give enough context but not too much, etc. Also, there is little point to memorizing cards without understanding the material first. If I struggle with a card, I know I need to review the material, develop a mnemonic, etc.
Re:A Year of Spaced Repetition Software in the Classroom by grovulent on Monday July 06, 2015 @12:55AM (#9836885)
I disagree with this in part. I'm using spaced repetition to learn maths - and without it I just wouldn't progress at all. My natural aptitude isn't great.

Can you say a little bit more about what you mean by immersion? Do you mean - say, having a teacher who can show you a problem from multiple angles, allowing you to triangulate your understanding by asking numerous questions... etc? Things like this?

I do agree that in terms of developing immediate understanding - having access to this environment allows you to obtain understanding quicker. And I agree that it doesn't cohere well with spaced repetition learning.

However, the problematic thing with learning with this way is that unless you go on to use it daily, you lose almost all of it. So all you manage to do is pass tests throughout your life - never developing a full suite of knowledge that you can deploy. What an enormous waste of time!

Given that the energy needed to learn/recall an individual card drops exponentially over time, over the long term this is a vastly more efficient process for retaining information.

The only question is whether it can be used to learn complex and abstract ideas. I believe it can.

Here's how I typically progress with learning a difficult, abstract mathematical concept or problem.

First pass - I'll rote memorise a solution.

Then after a couple of weeks - I'll typically forget various parts of the solution. More often than not these will be sub-problems that I don't completely understand. So I'll create new cards that will provide training on these smaller sub-tasks. In the meantime, I'll rote learn the solution to the larger problem again.

What I find is that no matter how many times I rote learn a complex solution, eventually I typically forget it. But the smaller, easier concepts stick. Eventually my rote knowledge gets swapped out progressively by the smaller units of understanding and I end up being able to work through the solution without remembering it as a whole at all.

This is a frustratingly slow process in the beginning - particularly if you are starting at the very beginning of a new field (as I am with maths). But in my experience it's worth it. For the first time in my life I feel I'm actually really learning a topic in a way that I'll truly own.

Re:A Year of Spaced Repetition Software in the Classroom by voltagex_ on Monday July 06, 2015 @02:28AM (#9837155)
Do you have an example of some cards you're using? Was there an existing set or did you develop them yourself?
Re:A Year of Spaced Repetition Software in the Classroom by grovulent on Monday July 06, 2015 @09:01PM (#9843068)
I developed them myself.

Mostly this doesn't add much overhead to the learning process. As I'm working through a math's text book (in ebook or pdf form) I use the windows 7 snipping tool to create two images - one of the question and solution. And then I just insert these into my card program. This takes about 15-30 seconds at the most.

I use mnemosyne as my repetition software which allows me to insert images - and I can also annotate my cards with latex. I have a number of latex macros set up on my keyboard so that I've become pretty quick at inputting latex.

I continue to annotate my cards as I progress. For a complex problem, what starts out as a simple cut and paste from a text book grows into a voluminous set of notes covering every aspect of the problem that I've had trouble with on different repetitions of the problem. These notes become what I use to create the smaller cards.

For abstract and complex material - there is no substitute for creating your own cards imo. You need to read through a text book anyway to ensure that there is no important context that you've missed. And it isn't much overhead to create your base set of cards, cutting and pasting as you go. But your gaps in understanding are your own - and only you can identify those and fill them.

Re:A Year of Spaced Repetition Software in the Classroom by danmaz74 on Sunday July 05, 2015 @07:04PM (#9835483)
I think SRS is useful to learn "data", not competences. Learning data has it own usefulness.
Re:A Year of Spaced Repetition Software in the Classroom by laichzeit0 on Monday July 06, 2015 @02:57AM (#9837275)
I've found SRS (with Supermemo) is indispensable for learning vocabulary of languages in which immersion is not possible or too impractical e.g. ancient Greek/Latin.

As you say, it requires discipline; but if something is important you'll find the time, if not you'll find an excuse.