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Re:Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan by anigbrowl on Thursday July 02, 2015 @04:43PM (#9821496)
Well, the administrators have outsourced the domain knowledge to the journal reviewers and pay for this service indirectly through journal fees, so from an accounting point of view it makes total sense.

If not publication, what metric should funding agencies use to decide who gets grants? Of course they could hire senior scientists in the field to evaluate grant roposals, but that would mean hiring lots and lots of scientists across all the fields in which they disburse grants; those jobs would be sinecures and from the point of view of the grant applicant it would still be about 'who you know,' just a referee at a grant-issuing agency instead of an editor/reviewer at a journal.

I don't disagree with you about the problem, but I'm not clear on how you would address it. Making the journals less profitable by refusing to pay silly subscription prices to read publicly-funded research would be a good thing for universities, and maybe for scientific publishing, but it's not going to fix the disconnect between people who control the public purse strings and which scientists will get the grants they want.

Re:Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan by sago on Thursday July 02, 2015 @05:52PM (#9821950)
> outsourced the domain knowledge to the journal reviewers

Except that, by and large, those reviewers aren't being paid. So the 'outsourcing' argument isn't quite it. If it were there would be no problem with open access.

It is more about brand. They're outsourcing the need to determine quality by buying into a brand. That brand is kept afloat by unpaid labour on all sides, yet charges heftily for its brand. It is an understandable model, but not a very pleasant one. Unless you're an Elsevier shareholder, getting paid for your brand IP.

Re:Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan by anigbrowl on Thursday July 02, 2015 @07:03PM (#9822324)
Agreed. When I use the term 'outsourcing' I mean that from grant administrators' point of view the scientific journal is a black box, providing X level of quality control for Y subscription cost.
Re:Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan by Fomite on Thursday July 02, 2015 @06:36PM (#9822189)
While their not being paid directly, it should be noted that reviewing, and sitting on editorial boards, is considered in a great many tenure decisions.