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Re:Eliezer Yudkowsky: That Alien Message by lisper on Monday December 07, 2009 @08:01AM (#981100)
I can tell you exactly why "That Alien Message" gets more attention: because it's a story, and a cracklin' good one. Human brains are hard-wired to be attracted to good stories. This is why mythology is so powerful.

BTW, there is a pretty well worked out theory of what makes a good story. Geeks tend to pooh-pooh this theory because it's associated with the "squishy" field of stage and screen drama. IMHO this is a serious mistake. The world today really needs a better mythology. Those in its current inventory are getting obsolete. Some of them are becoming actively harmful. Coming up with a good mythology is not so easy. The last person I know of who did a notable job was L. Ron Hubbard (at least, he's the last one who did it intentionally). Imagine how much better off the world would be if Hubbard hadn't been a psychopath. I hope some people reading this might start devoting a little time to thinking about this problem.

Re:Eliezer Yudkowsky: That Alien Message by davi on Monday December 07, 2009 @08:49AM (#981136)
there is a pretty well worked out theory of what makes a good story

links please

Re:Eliezer Yudkowsky: That Alien Message by lisper on Monday December 07, 2009 @09:43AM (#981229)
BTW, the theory is pretty easy to summarize. At the risk of oversimplifying, the essential elements of a good story are:

1. A protagonist, who is a sympathetic character with a goal. In Eliezer's story the protagonist is not a single character, but all of humanity. Their goal is to understand the universe.

2. An antagonist, who places obstacles in the path of the protagonist to prevent him (or her or them) from achieving the goal. In Eliezer's story, the antagonist is whoever is causing the stars to blink.

3. A structure that includes (more or less) the following elements in order:

a) An introduction that establishes the characters and the basic ground rules of the world they live in

b) An inciting incident that launches the protagonist on a journey. In Eliezer's story this is the stars starting to blink.

c) The journey itself, which ultimately leads to some kind of catastrophe from which no escape seems possible.

d) A resolution, which results in the protagonist being forever changed in some way. It may or may not include the actual achievement of the protagonist's goal. It may, for example, be the protagonist realizing that they chose the wrong goal. Think "Wizard of Oz".

Of course, there's a lot more to say than just that, but those are the fundamentals.

Re:Eliezer Yudkowsky: That Alien Message by hegemonicon on Monday December 07, 2009 @10:13AM (#981277)
Re:Eliezer Yudkowsky: That Alien Message by pmichaud on Monday December 07, 2009 @06:12PM (#982474)