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Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by DennisP on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @06:56AM (#9804244)
So why don't ground-to-air missiles make all fighters obsolete?

(If the answer is that they lack "mid-course updates from it's firing aircraft," that sounds like something that could be jammed.)

Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by cc438 on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @12:48PM (#9806596)
AA missiles start with a huge energy disadvantage. They start with a velocity and altitude of 0 so they need an engine powerful enough to catch the fighter and enough fuel to reach it's altitude. More power means more weight, more weight means more fuel, that equation results in a huge missile with minimal maneuverability.

No maneuverability = no hit. Surface to air missiles are intended to target low, slow, or bulky targets and fighters are outside those categories.

Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by RockyMcNuts on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @01:36PM (#9807025)
Sounds like what's needed is a bunch of high altitude blimps or cargo planes with air-to-air missiles.

And enough countermeasures they don't get picked off by ground-to-air missiles.

Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by cweiss on Wednesday July 01, 2015 @12:05PM (#9812861)
Or two-stage AA missiles with large "get it up in the air and fast ASAP" 1st stages and smaller "aim at the baddy" 2nd stages?
Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by iofj on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @07:31AM (#9804405)
Communication between plane and rocket has several options, one of which is effectively a laser pointer in the aircraft pointed at one in the rocket modulated with the information to be transmitted.

It's fast, lots of bandwidth, and it's totally unjammable. Or even detectable for that matter.

Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by bdavisx on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @08:11AM (#9804599)
Unjammable by clouds? Wouldn't going into clouds be a way to evade in this case?
Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by iofj on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @08:27AM (#9804669)
Depends on the frequency. Clouds are famously transparent for ultraviolet for instance. The sun floods the sky with it of course, but there's plenty of choice. But at the ranges we're talking about 10-20, maybe 100km ... yeah pretty much unjammable by clouds. Sufficiently intense rain or something like a snow storm would probably work though.
Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by Vexs on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @09:14AM (#9804922)
I doubt you'd be flying in the conditions that would block a laser from hitting it's target. In practice, there really aren't that many ways to "jam" a rocket, radio jamming really can't hit all the bands, and frequency-hopping SDR is very, very cheap now.

To my mind your best hope would be an EMP or a small missile-tracking gun.

Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by avian on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @12:25PM (#9806407)
> frequency-hopping SDR is very, very cheap now.

Which also makes broadband frequency-hopping jammers similarly cheap.

Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by Tuna-Fish on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @04:10PM (#9808099)
Frequency hopping doesn't make jammers more effective. So long as you cannot prevent the pattern of the transmitter, your only option is to jam all frequencies, which means you have a massive disadvantage in the power you need to emit, to the point that simple directional antennas probably make your task flatly impossible.

Laser communications are being studied because they are impossible to detect, not because the existing communications are too easy to jam.

Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by Tuna-Fish on Wednesday July 01, 2015 @06:16AM (#9810955)
(late edit:)

*predict

Re:Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight by danmaz74 on Tuesday June 30, 2015 @08:21AM (#9804647)
Because ground-to-air missiles need to be put on the ground before the engagement, and that's not always possible, I guess.