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Re:New WikiLeaks Documents Reveal NSA Spied on French Companies by tptacek on Monday June 29, 2015 @04:12PM (#9800628)
I think you can safely assume that the homeland of Royal Dutch Shell is a sponsor of some economic signals intelligence here and there.

"The rest of the world" is an interesting way to frame a response to my comment, which you appear to be stipulating is correct. I'm saying that on the matter of economic spying, there is no rest of the world.

Please stop using words like "excuse" to respond to me, by the way. You put words in my mouth when you do that; I didn't make an excuse. There's a world of difference between "is" and "ought".

Re:New WikiLeaks Documents Reveal NSA Spied on French Companies by jacquesm on Monday June 29, 2015 @04:15PM (#9800650)
Shell is not the Dutch government, and I'd be fairly surprised if the Dutch government would let its intelligence services be co-opted in this way. The 1950's have not been forgotten here and Ken Saro Wiwa has streets named after him here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Saro-Wiwa

Re:New WikiLeaks Documents Reveal NSA Spied on French Companies by tptacek on Monday June 29, 2015 @04:18PM (#9800688)
Nah, just a gigantic fraction of the economy, their largest company (the second largest company in the world), and an operator in the world's most cutthroat extractive industry.

Virtually every major city in the US has a street named after MLK, but there are still cops here that single black people out for beatings.

Re:New WikiLeaks Documents Reveal NSA Spied on French Companies by foobarqux on Monday June 29, 2015 @05:44PM (#9801355)
Even if true, there is a huge differential in capability and therefore power.
Re:New WikiLeaks Documents Reveal NSA Spied on French Companies by tinco on Monday June 29, 2015 @09:59PM (#9802421)
Right, from Shell's perspective Dutch intelligence services are probably expensive and ineffective. Manipulating Nigerian officials to incarcerate activists is much cheaper and achieves the same goals.

But let's not assume that the Dutch government is therefore off the hook. I would not be surprised if Dutch diplomats extract trade information (through pacts, treaties and simple espionage) that gets passed on to Shell.

We might be low on the James Bond style intelligence signals, but as a country that's an order of magnitude richer than we should be by any sane measure you can bet we've got our trademark smiling men in suits wherever the money flows.

Re:New WikiLeaks Documents Reveal NSA Spied on French Companies by tptacek on Monday June 29, 2015 @05:47PM (#9801375)
I agree that that's true.