Pivot (from Microsoft)

Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by jimbobimbo on Sunday December 06, 2009 @12:19PM (#979821)

My point is that for stuff coming from G or A people here are ready to walk an extra mile. If stuff is coming from M -- that's it, end of journey right on the headline.

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Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by allenbrunson on Sunday December 06, 2009 @01:12PM (#979893)

you're aware that most of us didn't get that bias by accident, right? microsoft has a long, LONG history of being not a good company to rely on or work with. therefore, anything coming from them has to be especially compelling before people here are going to get excited about it.

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Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by fnid on Sunday December 06, 2009 @05:00PM (#980225)

I'd say Microsoft's history is quite the opposite. The oft cited example is that Visicalc, from the 80's still works! I'd say that's a pretty reliable platform. How many apple products from the 80's run on Leopard?

And on the other side, lots of google products are already defunct and they aren't even half M's age.

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Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by rbanffy on Sunday December 06, 2009 @06:12PM (#980320)

You define "reliable" as "can run Visicalc". I am not sure this is a good one.

For me, reliable is "works every time the way I expect it to work". According to this, Windows is pretty reliable. The trick is in my expectations.

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Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by allenbrunson on Sunday December 06, 2009 @08:05PM (#980458)

how about asking the guys at stac electronics how reliable they think windows is! that's the kind of thing i'm talking about.

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Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by jimbobimbo on Sunday December 06, 2009 @01:49PM (#979947)

Oh, please. It's not A that have completely unpredictable app store approval process, or not G that may release a free version of your beloved startup anytime they feel the urge to get more eyeballs for their properties. It's definitely more reliable than M, yeah.

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Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by dchest on Sunday December 06, 2009 @01:38PM (#979933)

It's the end of journey when you see that you have to disrupt the stability of one of your primary tools (browser) (and then learn that it doesn't work on your OS).

And yes, I hate Silverlight.

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Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by jimbobimbo on Sunday December 06, 2009 @01:53PM (#979950)

Have you tried it to make a conclusion that it will disrupt something? No, you just "hate" it. That's plain old bias.

PS. It's actually funny to see that kind of bias coming from the person who's getting (or at least WAS getting) most of their income from M's platform. ;)

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Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by dchest on Sunday December 06, 2009 @02:23PM (#979997)

Have you tried it to make a conclusion that it will disrupt something? No, you just "hate" it. That's plain old bias.

Yes, I had it installed for some time. I don't remember the exact problems I had with it, but there were problems.

As for bias, I think I have the normal level of it wrt Microsoft. Everyone have it. (Oh, and you should note that I competed with MS. Add this to your bias-detector.)

Anyway, why we're discussing me and my bias? Re-read my original post. Any objections? State them, and please exclude me from the picture, and stop trolling.

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Re:Pivot (from Microsoft) by jimbobimbo on Sunday December 06, 2009 @02:46PM (#980038)

We're discussing bias because it's always the case whenever someone's new stuff is being discussed on HN: it's very interesting to see how people's opinion changes by mere knowledge of where that new stuff is coming from.

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