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Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by DevPad on Saturday June 27, 2015 @09:48AM (#9790119)
How about remote teams?

At previous startup we had guys from: Germany, Russia, US, Romania, Brasil, Ukraine, Philippines.

Our "cultural fit" was just about: Be a Hacker (innovative, open-minded).

Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by nileshtrivedi on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:11AM (#9790197)
And be able to communicate well in a shared language - most likely English.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by harperlee on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:54AM (#9790520)
Good point. Not knowing english well enough is a good technical barrier. I've been working on a project in english for the past two months, and although I speak and write sufficiently good and fluently, I still see a huge distance in front of me. I can't think, express and discuss so easily. It's like I've slept badly for some days. It's frustratingly. And it takes time to overcome, so any test period that you have with a candidate won't be enough for that to be overcome (not that I propose hiring people for a couple of years to see whether their english levels improve, mind you)
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by EliRivers on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:13AM (#9790209)
Our "cultural fit" was just about: Be a Hacker.

Why did you put "cultural fit" in quotes? Your criterion is just as poorly defined as everyone else's "cultural fit" criteria and, just like theirs, acts as a way to simply exclude people because they're not like you.

Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by savanaly on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:16AM (#9790220)
I believe using quotes like he did is shorthand to indicate that you think the term is illegitimate and a bit silly, so you may be in agreement with him.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by lordnacho on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:20AM (#9790237)
"Be a hacker" is not cultural though. It's skill.

He's saying they are just using skill as a criterion.

Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by camperman on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:32AM (#9790270)
Being a hacker is very cultural. From the Jargon File:

"Except in some relatively minor respects such as slang vocabulary, hackers don't get to be the way they are by imitating each other. Rather, it seems to be the case that the combination of personality traits that makes a hacker so conditions one's outlook on life that one tends to end up being like other hackers whether one wants to or not (much as bizarrely detailed similarities in behavior and preferences are found in genetic twins raised separately)."

Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by DevPad on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:05AM (#9790370)
For me "Be a hacker" is kind of innovative & startupish spirit, the way of life and doing things different, open-mindness, never ending learning.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by EliRivers on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:28AM (#9790428)
Well then please, say that. You'll note in the comments below that there's someone who defines "hacker" as "person who can code".

If what you seek is open-mindedness to new ways of thinking and new ways of doing things, a positive attitude to learning, a desire to explore the software and hardware beyond the level purely necessary to meet the requirements, then say all these things so people know what you mean (and so that you do get applications from people with two decades of experience applying all these values to their life - some of those applicants can blow you away, if you can look past the smart suit; twenty years as a working adult with an attitude of never-ending learning can create some seriously skilled people).

You started your definition with "For me"; clearly, you already know that this is your definition. I bet there are people you work with who actually have a different definition but because you all use the same word, you don't realise it (cf. the common political phrases "our common values" and "hard-working families" - everyone has a personal definition of this that they simply project onto the phrase).

Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by EliRivers on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:28AM (#9790255)
WTF are you talking about? "Hacker" is entirely cultural.

It was in its infancy ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(programmer_subculture) ) and it is now. Part of it's current culture is the pretence that it's all about skill; it's not. The completely lacking in skill won't get recognised as part of it, but it's attitude and style that buys admission to that club.

These days, software places that are looking for "hackers" generally mean they're looking for inexperienced youngsters who have dabbled in a handful of currently trending web frameworks, but have "Agile" written on the crumpled t-shirt they will wear to the interview. The world's finest software engineer could turn up but because that person has decades of experience, plans their software before they write it, children in college and a liking for going home at five, the world's finest software engineer will be rejected on grounds of "culture fit". HN is heaving with people who have immersion baptised themselves in this particular kool-aid.

Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by yummyfajitas on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:42AM (#9790299)
You seem to be confusing "hacker" with "hipster".
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by EliRivers on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:46AM (#9790313)
It wasn't me who pushed those two words so close together. I sometimes wonder when those who were known as "hackers" back when it meant something will find a new word, but then I remember that they tend to love word games and will never decide on anything, and they've got better things to do with their time anyway.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by lordnacho on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:33AM (#9790273)
A subculture that requires you to have a specific skill...
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by EliRivers on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:39AM (#9790291)
Any skill. There are bio-hackers. Lock-hackers. Engine-hackers. Clothing-hackers. On and on and on. The skill has become irrelevant. Just any skill. Attitude and style is now what makes it "hacker".
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by lordnacho on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:49AM (#9790316)
Must be a changing thing. I've always thought "hacker" without qualifiers meant "person who can code".
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by EliRivers on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:10AM (#9790385)
At risk of showing my age, it never meant that; or at least, if that's what it means now, it's a very modern interpretation and the word has basically become meaningless.

I've got a copy of Levy's "Hackers" on my desk, printed in 1984. The first chapter opens in the late fifties (i.e. almost sixty years ago) in the MIT model railway club.

"Hackers" are (or at least, were) people who solved problems in a particular way. A good hack involved some clever dodge around a limitation, or some new creative technical thinking to achieve a task. In code terms, someone might find a way round a memory limitation by reusing something in a non-standard way, or perhaps someone might hide some extra calculation in the fly-back time of a CRT monitor. Hacks show a knowledge and understanding beyond the standard methods, a knowledge and understanding often gathered through exploring deeply and chasing personal itches; creativity based on a more thorough understanding than just knowing the syntax. The skill good hackers tended to have was just a base knowledge that allowed their creativity to fly; sometimes someone would churn out a creative, non-standard solution purely because they didn't have the skill needed, and didn't know the elegant standard method.

A "person who can code" is not a hacker (under the traditional definition, at least). That's simply a person who can code. Some of the finest programmers are not hackers. Some of the finest hackers are not outstanding programmers. Yes, there's a broad correlation; good hackers tend to be good programmers (although certainly not the other way around), but the two terms are by no means synonymous.

If you've not read Levy's "Hackers", it's a good read.

Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by Retra on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:02PM (#9790553)
It only means that today because so many people idolize hackers and so many people want to hire hackers that everyone just calls themselves hackers as a political move.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by walshemj on Saturday June 27, 2015 @01:41PM (#9790884)
The only skills a "Hacker" needs is to be able to learn new things quickly and curiosity.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by raindev on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:15AM (#9790217)
"Guys" is an exclusive label.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by s_kilk on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:07AM (#9790375)
Usually, but it depends on cultural context.

For example, where I'm from (West Ireland), the term "Lads" is often used for everyone regardless of gender. One might hear a lady say she's "Going out with the lads" when describing a night out, with even a mostly female group of companions.

Basically, we should try to not use language which excludes others, but in some cases the person is actually using gender-neutral language from their culture and does not intend to exclude anyone.

Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by chapium on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:31AM (#9790265)
It all depends on context. "I'm going to go hang out with the guys." yes, exclusive. "Hey guys, I'm going to work." not exclusive. Try focusing on the meaning being conveyed and not the glyphs representing it.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by raindev on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:40AM (#9790293)
I don't think the issue is as simple as that. Here is more on the topic: https://subfictional.com/2012/07/02/language-matters-stop-us...
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by joesmo on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:52PM (#9790711)
I don't know where this author comes from, but obviously not the Northeast or West coasts of the US where "guys" has been used to refer to mixed gender groups for decades. It's no different that "y'all" which is more popular in other parts of the country. Words and phrases change meaning all the time. The essay fails to understand such a simple concept and is just plain stupid because of it.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by ta92929 on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:21AM (#9790409)
The strangest part of that article is this:

  I understand how ingrained the “guys” habit might be for 
  some of you. It was for me. After several months of 
  concerted, conscious effort, I still slip and say it on oc-
  casion.
So even the author herself used the word with completely gender neutral intent, but then she insists that others can't. It's like she's looking for reasons to be offended.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by grkvlt on Saturday June 27, 2015 @02:37PM (#9791103)
Not really. She is conciously trying not to use it, and admits to accidentally slipping up when she reverts to unconciously choosing biased terms. She seems to want others to do the same thing, and think about the words they are using, and their potential impact, which is a Good Thing generally.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by raindev on Saturday June 27, 2015 @06:35PM (#9791727)
What the author is trying to say is that this label is deeply ingrained into our cultural stereotypes but we should strive try to change the situation.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by ionforce on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:38AM (#9790462)
A lot of people are looking to be offended these days.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by Retra on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:59AM (#9790541)
That's been true since forever. It's just now that people are offended about things like word choice rather than race, gender, religion, or parents, occupation, etc.

Either way, that's no excuse to stop thinking about things.

Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by throw_away on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:49AM (#9790322)
Douglas Hofstadter wrote a classic essay on this as well: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by jschwartzi on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:06PM (#9790565)
This one is right up there with A Modest Proposal.
Re:Guess Who Doesn’t Fit in at Work by setitimer on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:27AM (#9790252)
Triggered!