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Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by ufmace on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:33AM (#9785206)
That's much more along the lines of what I think. It's kind of the libertarian dilemma - with Gay Marriage, there's one huge, loud camp of religious homophobic bigots demanding that big daddy Government say that Gay Marriage is an illegal abomination, and another huge, loud group of homosexual-rights activists demanding that big daddy Government say that Gay Marriage is a-ok and governments everywhere are required to perform it. It was never really about marriage or anything - it's about getting the Government to bless your side of the argument with a magical scepter of rightness.

Meanwhile, my/our camp of libertarians saying hey, the Government really shouldn't be in the business of deciding who can be in what sort of relationship with who else or blessing either side of a controversial argument is disappointingly small and quiet and usually ignored.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by tommorris on Friday June 26, 2015 @06:40PM (#9788179)
It is politically unviable because it would basically take away the current benefits from straight married couples to further a libertarian pipe dream.

Politics is the art of the possible: extending marriage benefits to gays and lesbians is a lot easier than clawing it away from all straight couples in order to satisfy a desire for libertarian ideological BS.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by ufmace on Friday June 26, 2015 @07:41PM (#9788367)
I'd say that the proper libertarian solution is not to eliminate those benefits, but to detach them from marriage. Handle inheritance, hospital visitation, benefits sharing, and other such things directly, instead of linked to marriage. I think it would solve what the gay marriage proponents say they want, and probably a lot of other edge cases too. Who knows how many other people out there the current options aren't working for, but will never have the level of support gay marriage does to write new laws for their case?

But then, this was never really about benefits in the first place. If it was, they could have had civil unions a decade ago. This is about getting the Government to endorse it as Marriage to stuff it in the face of all the homophobes out there. This has always been entirely about ideological "BS", but not the kind the myself and any other libertarians are spewing.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by tommorris on Saturday June 27, 2015 @08:23AM (#9789921)
Civil unions are "separate but equal" which means separate but not equal.

And stuffing a few homophobes is good. They have been persecuting LGBT people for millennia so fair turnabout.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by eropple on Friday June 26, 2015 @12:55PM (#9786027)
You're not being ignored. Lots of people agree that, in an ideal world, the government not having a role in marriage would be a decent solution. This is not an ideal world and that political position is not feasible; in the art of the possible, that is not.

On the other hand, we have people being harmed by the unreasonable jank thrown at homosexuals who wish to marry. The perfect must not be made the enemy of the good out of a sense of ideological purity.

Re:Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules by ufmace on Friday June 26, 2015 @07:14PM (#9788281)
Well, I do know that, which is why I'm not really all that against it. I'd like to see it happen a different way, but I can't see actually opposing it in any meaningful way, especially when it would inevitably mean allying with the types of people who are actively against it now - there's a lot of hate and negativity in that camp.

The thing about Government power, though - everything seems all nice and cool when it's pointed in a direction that you like, and it makes everything happen real fast and lays the smack down on your ideological opponents. But that power can turn on a dime and get pointed right back at your side, as has happened a great many times in history. Think it can't happen here? I hope it never does, but it does have a nasty tendency to happen in places and to people where they thought it couldn't, where they keep on doing the simple and efficient thing, because that couldn't possibly ever happen to us, right?