Re:Rust 1.1 Stable, the Community Subteam, and RustCamp
by Manishearth on Thursday June 25, 2015 @09:25PM
(#9781996)
You missed my point, systems is a vague term. Go was also initially labelled as a systems language.
Swift calls itself a systems language. Rust/C++ call themselves systems languages. The two sets use those words to mean different things.
Re:Rust 1.1 Stable, the Community Subteam, and RustCamp
by danieldk on Friday June 26, 2015 @03:09AM
(#9782833)
Right. People should just drop the term 'systems language' and project languages along useful dimensions:
A: Garbage collected vs. not garbage collected. B: Generics vs. no generics. C: Algebraic datatypes vs. no algebraic data types.
Even with these three dimensions, it's easy to separate major languages
Rust: A-B+C+, Swift: A+B+C+, Go A+B-C-, Java: A+B+C-, C++: A-B+C- (discounting union types)
tl;dr: Swift is not in the same space as Rust.
During the WWDC 2015 opening keynote, Federighi explicitly stated that Swift's a "systems programming language" and they even say it in the documentation:
> It is the first industrial-quality systems programming language that is as expressive and enjoyable as a scripting language.
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/Swift/...