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Re:We need to rethink employee compensation by branchless on Wednesday June 24, 2015 @03:13PM (#9773814)
> I tend to think of options as worthless

That's why they are trying to pay you with them. For them it's a one-way bet. It's sadly just another case of pushing risk onto the worker and not really passing on much of the upside.

Re:We need to rethink employee compensation by nissimk on Wednesday June 24, 2015 @03:41PM (#9773987)
It's also information asymetry. A classic financial arbitrage move. The founders offering the employees options understand all of the terms and scenarios that people in this thread are discussing, but most potential employees are not aware of these factors. Many potential employees will discuss their offer with trusted "experts" in their personal network who also are not familiar with the multiple scenarios that can devalue these options. Making complex financial deals with another party who is less sophisticated is always great for business. That's why employees should be even more careful when negotiating compensation with startups. If you can't spot the sucker at the table then the sucker is you.
Re:We need to rethink employee compensation by danielweber on Wednesday June 24, 2015 @04:03PM (#9774122)
And if the company decides to screw you over, it's really easy. If the pie is so huge that it's worth you getting a lawyer to fight back, generally 1) they aren't so selfish, and 2) they realize you will get that lawyer to fight for your piece.

There's 10 ways for you to get devalued to 0 and you have to avoid all of them to make a payout.

Re:We need to rethink employee compensation by tptacek on Wednesday June 24, 2015 @03:57PM (#9774082)
In my experience it's the opposite: the fact that employees generally either (a) regard options as worthless or (b) round allocations down to the nearest 100 basis points is a reason not to use them in compensation: the implied discount employees give them makes equity comp very expensive.

In fact: for this reason, I'd be especially wary of companies trying to buy a few thousand dollars of annual fully loaded cost with large amounts of equity --- it suggests extreme naivete.

Re:We need to rethink employee compensation by DenisM on Wednesday June 24, 2015 @04:30PM (#9774270)
Or plain lack of money to pay more.

In the life of every company there is a moment when there is not enough money to hire the next two people, but there is also a feeling that hiring those two people would take the company to the next stage so much faster as to make the hiring worthwhile. At that point you either raise more money directly from investors, or offer more equity to prospect employees, or hold back on the growth.

Raising extra money takes time, so it may not fit with the timing of things. Holding back should probably be preferential to giving away equity, however somethings growth is unusually important, for example when you're in the middle of a land-grab.

Re:We need to rethink employee compensation by s73v3r on Thursday June 25, 2015 @12:15AM (#9775891)
And sometimes a family needs to pay rent and buy food but doesn't have the money.
Re:We need to rethink employee compensation by whitneyrzoller on Thursday June 25, 2015 @09:50AM (#9777831)
I have a friend who was ridiculed by a founder recently for not understanding the concept of equity.

She had rejected his salary + equity offer which was a %50 salary cut from her current position.

Irrespective of what the equity portion was I thought the founder's response was disgusting and pretty much validated her decision to pass.

Re:We need to rethink employee compensation by JoeAltmaier on Thursday June 25, 2015 @09:52AM (#9777848)
I think is endemic to founders that they think this way. Else they'd not be founders.