Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by Sealy on Thursday June 18, 2015 @07:49AM
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I love the idea of this. I have a casual interest in gardening and often come across plants I'd love to know the name of.
I hope you go on to great success. Finding niches like this to run a start-up is awesome.
In response to the other comments, perhaps you can make the botanists a 'knowledge marketplace' whereby they are paid (a micropayment of sorts) for sitting through and identifying flowers from pictures. You can set localisation filters so that avid gardeners can get involved too.
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by pvaldes on Thursday June 18, 2015 @10:11AM
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As a people that does exactly that since a lot of years just for fun, to be paid for continue identifying plants of the world will be a interesting change, but be aware that they will need to compete with unpaid positions right now. Their main problem will be to make people want to pay for something that they have for free (in an amateur base). Helpmefind for example is still trying to make money with this type of business.
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by Sealy on Saturday June 20, 2015 @07:12AM
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I agree, its hard to monetise something which people do for free and for fun however as someone who considers themselves to be a casual gardener, just remember the audience you are trying to reach is not the hobbyist... its the mainstream masses.
I'm sure some VCs will love this idea. Find the right ones that don't push you to monetise right away. Focus on user acquisition, then monetisation will come later.
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by madaxe_again on Thursday June 18, 2015 @06:50AM
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This is great, as I find myself far too often squinting at some green thing and wondering WTF it is, BUT....
Having botanists do this is good for accuracy, horrible for scalability. A neater solution would be to, as the botanists identify species, fill in a number of key datum for them, e.g.
Where is it growing?
What colour are the flowers?
How many nodes do the leaves have?
Are the leaves serrated?
Is this plant parasitic?
etc.
Ask enough appropriate questions and you can identify the vast majority of cases - essentially "animal, mineral or vegetable" - thus freeing up the botanists to do the really tricky ones.
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by fch on Thursday June 18, 2015 @07:12AM
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Yep, actually, we are going to develop a kind of hybrid between fully automated plant id service and classical botanist key. I made a this task a topic for student's thesis.
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by pvaldes on Thursday June 18, 2015 @10:22AM
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Please take in mind that this will be really hard for neophytes. Botanical terms are serial killers even for experts, and some families are a real nightmare. You'll probably lost the 95% of the people in the first 10 serious questions.
You'll need to put thousands (maybe even hundreds) of questions for some species.
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by gus_massa on Thursday June 18, 2015 @11:22AM
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> Are the leaves serrated?
You can put this with nice image/grapics of serrated/non-serrated leaves. This idea remind me of Akinator, where you can answer Yes, Proabbly, Don'tKnow, ProbablyNot, No. (http://en.akinator.com/ ) (You also have to consider the possibility of a mistake in one of the answers.)
One problem is that plants have different names in different parts of the word, or even in different parts of the same country. Another problem is that the same name may describe different plants in different places. (Perhaps the Wikipedia article can be the "official" identifier.)
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by pvaldes on Thursday June 18, 2015 @03:50PM
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Well, in botany is more a question of: "are the leaves entire, serrulate, serrate, double serrate, dentate, crenulate, crenate, toothed, spiny or undulated?". A lot of people just will walk away when things go a little hard, probably feeling cheated. The problem is that people are just lazy.
I can probably identify thousands of genus plants at least at first sight but is not easy and sometimes is impossible. There are about 3000 spurge species for example (and maybe ten real specialists in the genus Euphorbia in the entire world).
There are also some legal troubles in the field to care for. Some typical recurrent doubts in plant identification in my experience are:
1-"How can I cultivate peyote/cannabis/some ilegal drug in my house?, Is this a male or female plant? Is this cactus in my public park a San Pedro?"
2-"Is this leaf/mushrom/berry that I'm cooking edible or poisonous? (typically with a blurry small photo of some green poor thing that falls between a child in cucumber disguise and an alligator)."
Both 1 and 2 situations could easily escalate to a lawsuit against you. Assure you to put a big disclaimer note in the terms of use.
3-"Urgent!, Urgent!, I want you to do my schoolwork. Identify my entire herbarium, Is for yesterday!."
This guy will not even remember to thank you later most of the times, nor will consider to paid a cent for this (I will gladly charge him for my time if I could otherwise).
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by shanecleveland on Thursday June 18, 2015 @03:13PM
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Inspires a lot of ideas: Pest Identification - take a picture of an insect infesting your house, have it identified, get a result and maybe a recommendation, serve up pest control businesses in your area (pay a premium to be listed).
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by troncheadle on Thursday June 18, 2015 @02:17PM
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I've had a similar project I've wanted to get started on for a while now.
Does anyone know of a good API or Database for plant identification? Something where you can provide leaf # and shape, flower type and color, location, etc... and be returned a list of likely plants would be ideal but a database with that information is definitely workable.
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by pvaldes on Tuesday June 23, 2015 @08:34PM
(#9768810)
I like databases, and can do things really awesome, but the problem with your focus is that databases do difficult things easier but easy things almost impossible. I'm very confident that I would beat any newbie with a database in most of the cases, even when the plant is totally unknown to me.
I have created a lot of databases to identify some types of organisms of my interest and often find dificult to achieve good identifications only with databases alone.
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by avera on Thursday June 18, 2015 @06:41AM
(#9737733)
I also want to build my projects and get money but I'm not sure I want what I call "dependencies" - employees, investors. Probably I can off-load this task to a few closest partners.
As a simple human I can fulfill all my desires and it doesn't cost millions.
Creative journey for me is more important than business race.
Re:FlowerChecker: tell me what this plant is
by arthurcolle on Thursday June 18, 2015 @04:12AM
(#9737346)
I was recently thinking it would be sweet if a real-life PokeDex existed and you could identify animals by putting up a phone in front of one and have it be identified.
I hope you go on to great success. Finding niches like this to run a start-up is awesome.
In response to the other comments, perhaps you can make the botanists a 'knowledge marketplace' whereby they are paid (a micropayment of sorts) for sitting through and identifying flowers from pictures. You can set localisation filters so that avid gardeners can get involved too.
I'm sure some VCs will love this idea. Find the right ones that don't push you to monetise right away. Focus on user acquisition, then monetisation will come later.
Having botanists do this is good for accuracy, horrible for scalability. A neater solution would be to, as the botanists identify species, fill in a number of key datum for them, e.g.
Where is it growing?
What colour are the flowers?
How many nodes do the leaves have?
Are the leaves serrated?
Is this plant parasitic?
etc.
Ask enough appropriate questions and you can identify the vast majority of cases - essentially "animal, mineral or vegetable" - thus freeing up the botanists to do the really tricky ones.
You'll need to put thousands (maybe even hundreds) of questions for some species.
You can put this with nice image/grapics of serrated/non-serrated leaves. This idea remind me of Akinator, where you can answer Yes, Proabbly, Don'tKnow, ProbablyNot, No. (http://en.akinator.com/ ) (You also have to consider the possibility of a mistake in one of the answers.)
One problem is that plants have different names in different parts of the word, or even in different parts of the same country. Another problem is that the same name may describe different plants in different places. (Perhaps the Wikipedia article can be the "official" identifier.)
I can probably identify thousands of genus plants at least at first sight but is not easy and sometimes is impossible. There are about 3000 spurge species for example (and maybe ten real specialists in the genus Euphorbia in the entire world).
There are also some legal troubles in the field to care for. Some typical recurrent doubts in plant identification in my experience are:
1-"How can I cultivate peyote/cannabis/some ilegal drug in my house?, Is this a male or female plant? Is this cactus in my public park a San Pedro?"
2-"Is this leaf/mushrom/berry that I'm cooking edible or poisonous? (typically with a blurry small photo of some green poor thing that falls between a child in cucumber disguise and an alligator)."
Both 1 and 2 situations could easily escalate to a lawsuit against you. Assure you to put a big disclaimer note in the terms of use.
3-"Urgent!, Urgent!, I want you to do my schoolwork. Identify my entire herbarium, Is for yesterday!."
This guy will not even remember to thank you later most of the times, nor will consider to paid a cent for this (I will gladly charge him for my time if I could otherwise).
Does anyone know of a good API or Database for plant identification? Something where you can provide leaf # and shape, flower type and color, location, etc... and be returned a list of likely plants would be ideal but a database with that information is definitely workable.
I have created a lot of databases to identify some types of organisms of my interest and often find dificult to achieve good identifications only with databases alone.
As a simple human I can fulfill all my desires and it doesn't cost millions.
Creative journey for me is more important than business race.
Edit: Aah bummer, seems won't be available for android anytime soon.
Ref: http://zoology-app.com/where-can-i-get-zoology-2/