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Re:We Have Been De-googled by idlewords on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @03:13PM (#972799)
Re:We Have Been De-googled by wheels on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @03:23PM (#972829)
That site, and implicitly, your post, are negligent of the fact that things with precise formal meanings often creep into the realm of being figures of speech. When someone says, "It doesn't follow that..." they don't mean, "there exists no proof which verifies A -> B" they mean, "that doesn't make sense".

There is certainly a place for precise terminology, but it's not necessary in casual conversation.

Re:We Have Been De-googled by scott_s on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @03:35PM (#972866)
Your example and "begs the question" are different cases. In your example, when people say "it doesn't follow that" they mean one can't draw the following conclusion from what has been said. That's the same meaning as in the technical sense. The only difference is that in a technical context, there's a whole lot more evidence backing up the statement. It's a difference of degrees, not fundamental meaning.

On the other hand, "begs the question" is a logical fallacy in the technical sense; it means someone has assumed what they were trying to prove. It has no relationship with "raises the question." They're not trying to say the same thing.

Re:We Have Been De-googled by jules on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @03:33PM (#972858)
It's easier to change what the minority thinks it means than what the majority thinks it means.
Re:We Have Been De-googled by eli on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @05:21PM (#973141)
True, though some people firmly believe that the dictionary has the "right" definition and other definitions are "wrong."

Others (like myself) believe that the dictionary is just a catalog of how people actually use words and that if there's a disconnect, it's because the dictionary is out of date.

Re:We Have Been De-googled by jrockway on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @04:01PM (#972943)
No it's not. The majority arrived at its conclusion by coincidence. The minority arrived at its conclusion by research and thinking. It is much easier to convince the majority, as the minority is not going to be receptive to your argument.
Re:We Have Been De-googled by sketerpot on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @05:45PM (#973187)
I prefer to avoid using the phrase entirely. Can we deprecate parts of language? That seems like the easiest solution.
Re:We Have Been De-googled by evgen on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @04:17PM (#972982)
AKA "I'd rather be popular than be right"