Re:Working at Google vs Microsoft as Proxy for New vs. Old
by sriramk on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @04:52PM
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I typically don't comment on threads on MSFT since I work there but I'll make an exception (disclaimer - my own opinion, etc, etc).
I was there in person for this talk and quite disappointed. At first I thought it was because the talk was so critical of MSFT but on thinking further, I decided it was really because the talk was shallow and I expected something better from someone with such credentials (the fact that the talks leading up to this were great probably played a part too). I really expected a 'deeper' talk with some insights. I think the talk slots the two companies into a false dichotomy and regurgitates the 'good vs evil' metaphor, which frankly, is a bit old and not very accurate.
I spent the last 2 minutes of the talk wondering whether I could do a Wilson-style "You lie" at Ignite :)
Re:Working at Google vs Microsoft as Proxy for New vs. Old
by endtime on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @06:12PM
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This is really a poor article. I can't claim to be 100% objective (worked at Microsoft last summer) but negative phrases like "doing unnatural actions to compete" and "suck the value" do seem to indicate bias.
That aside, the speaker makes no new or interesting points.
Re:Working at Google vs Microsoft as Proxy for New vs. Old
by tybris on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @04:09PM
(#972969)
Biased nonsense.
Just look at the wording:
> Google believes the amount of money they make is
proportionate to the number of people online. Google
believes it can monetize that traffic better than anyone
else. They're great at leveraging the community.
> Microsoft believes in developing and "restrictively
licensing" a platform to generate revenue. Believes in
"devaluing their partners." Builds an ecosystem instead
of a community, "which means they get a bunch of people
around them, and then they kind of suck the value to them
from the work those people do."
Re:Working at Google vs Microsoft as Proxy for New vs. Old
by gvb on Wednesday December 02, 2009 @04:59PM
(#973085)
Biased nonsense???
* Google makes money from ads. The more people that are online (and using its "properties"), the more money it makes. They appear to be "monetizing" web-based traffic extremely well.
* Microsoft has a long history of sucking the life out of its "partners" (Quarterdeck/DESQview, Stacker, Spyglass, WordPerfect, and OS/2 off the top of my head). See also http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history.
I was there in person for this talk and quite disappointed. At first I thought it was because the talk was so critical of MSFT but on thinking further, I decided it was really because the talk was shallow and I expected something better from someone with such credentials (the fact that the talks leading up to this were great probably played a part too). I really expected a 'deeper' talk with some insights. I think the talk slots the two companies into a false dichotomy and regurgitates the 'good vs evil' metaphor, which frankly, is a bit old and not very accurate.
I spent the last 2 minutes of the talk wondering whether I could do a Wilson-style "You lie" at Ignite :)
That aside, the speaker makes no new or interesting points.
Just look at the wording:
> Google believes the amount of money they make is proportionate to the number of people online. Google believes it can monetize that traffic better than anyone else. They're great at leveraging the community.
> Microsoft believes in developing and "restrictively licensing" a platform to generate revenue. Believes in "devaluing their partners." Builds an ecosystem instead of a community, "which means they get a bunch of people around them, and then they kind of suck the value to them from the work those people do."
* Google makes money from ads. The more people that are online (and using its "properties"), the more money it makes. They appear to be "monetizing" web-based traffic extremely well.
* Microsoft has a long history of sucking the life out of its "partners" (Quarterdeck/DESQview, Stacker, Spyglass, WordPerfect, and OS/2 off the top of my head). See also http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history.
Obvious, maybe. Nonsense, no.