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Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by PaulHoule on Saturday June 13, 2015 @12:37PM (#9711547)
For instance, the Gnu Public License serves the needs of Oracle very well and quite possibly helped MySQL AB be salable to Sun and thus to Oracle.

Most of us who use MySQL are limited by the GPL, whereas Oracle has the right to use it in other ways, license it to specific customers on different terms, etc.

Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by iwwr on Saturday June 13, 2015 @12:55PM (#9711624)
That's why Stallman prefers distributed code copyright: if contributors own their contributions, then dual-licensing won't work. On the other hand, this prevented a project like the linux kernel from moving to gplv3 since the distributed corpus of contributors could not all agree to switch.
Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by btilly on Saturday June 13, 2015 @12:59PM (#9711643)
Stallman does?

Historically the FSF required copyright assignment for FSF works. This was to avoid having any potential problems where a contributor thought they were OK to contribute, but the employer potentially had a "work for hire" claim. (The ease with which such claims can exist varies by local law, and many are not aware of the fact that they have such a liability.)

Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by icebraining on Saturday June 13, 2015 @01:12PM (#9711688)
Historically the FSF required copyright assignment for FSF works. This was to avoid having any potential problems where a contributor thought they were OK to contribute, but the employer potentially had a "work for hire" claim.

How would that work? If you don't have the legal standing to contribute to the project, you certainly can't reassign the copyright to another party.

The copyright assignment is so that the FSF can sue if someone break the project's license. They also require a disclaimer that the work isn't for-hire, but that's a different issue.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.en.html

Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by btilly on Saturday June 13, 2015 @01:21PM (#9711730)
The process of getting the employer disclaimer mentioned in your link exists exactly to catch cases where the contributor was mistaken about their ability to legally contribute.
Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by icebraining on Saturday June 13, 2015 @01:33PM (#9711798)
Yes, but the disclaimer is not the copyright assignment, they're different legal acts.
Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by btilly on Saturday June 13, 2015 @01:43PM (#9711841)
True, they are different forms. However they are both part of the process of making sure that the FSF actually owns that copyright.
Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by rmc on Saturday June 13, 2015 @02:35PM (#9712067)
There is a third path, like that of the OpenStreetMap project. Originally it was released under a CC-BY-SA licence, but in 2012 was changed. As many users as possible were contacted and asked to agree or decline the new licence (ODbL). Eventually some data had to be deleted.

In response there is a Contributor Terms for all people wishing to add to OSM, which allows the OSM Foundation the right to relicence to a new free and open licence that 2/3 of active contributors agree to.

This means the copyright is owned by many people, not one organisation/company, but that there is a way to relicence without requring 100% acceptance.

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Term...

Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by josteink on Saturday June 13, 2015 @04:53PM (#9712616)
> On the other hand, this prevented a project like the linux kernel from moving to gplv3 since the distributed corpus of contributors could not all agree to switch.

That's not enitrely true.

If I remember correctly Linus himself does not like the GPLv3 and opposes its use for the Linux kernel.

Basically his argument is that the changes and new restrictions imposed by GPLv3 in practice makes it a new kind of license, but that the naming seems designed to "lure" people who think it's a regular license upgrade into adopting a license they would otherwise not consider using.

I'm not sure if this is in writing anywhere, but I recall him talking about this on the same Debconf where he admitted that he had never managed to install Debian Linux.

So moving the Linux kernel to GPLv3 may not be entirely trivial, but that's not the reason it hasn't been done. Linus simply didn't want to.

Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by PaulHoule on Saturday June 13, 2015 @02:34PM (#9712060)
Yes, the GPL comes in two flavors. If copyright is assigned to one holder, than that holder has special rights. Linux does things differently, so much that Linux can't possibly be dual licensed.

MySQL and Linux have both been big successes as well as Apache Hadoop, which is under an Apache license. There are a lot of choices that can work out fine for open source.

Re:Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software by nanny on Saturday June 13, 2015 @02:33PM (#9712054)
>For instance, the Gnu Public License

GPL stands for "General Public License", just fyi.