Re:Cyber attack on German parliament still active, could cos...
by rayiner on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:55AM
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> I love how these stories always tend to focus on the "cyber attacks" rather than the incompetence that allowed them to be attacked in the first place.
For the same reason stories about home invasions or robberies don't blame the victim for leaving their house or car unlocked.
Re:Cyber attack on German parliament still active, could cos...
by fwn on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:57AM
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Just that it's the internet. So it's more like parking your ferrari with open doors in Somalia.
Re:Cyber attack on German parliament still active, could cos...
by rayiner on Thursday June 11, 2015 @09:00AM
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Sure. But if someone hacks you or robs you, the media should place blame on the person who was actually malicious, not the one who was merely negligent
Also, I love that the Internet = Somalia.
Re:Cyber attack on German parliament still active, could cos...
by balabaster on Thursday June 11, 2015 @09:09AM
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This whole thread puts the image of Somalia being like something out of Mad Max... I've never been there, but I bet it's not like that at all.
Re:Cyber attack on German parliament still active, could cos...
by pluma on Monday June 15, 2015 @02:45PM
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Somalia being a post-apocalyptic wasteland qualifies as a mesofact[0], I guess. Whether it actually ever was quite that bad I don't even know. I think the idea is mostly fed via movie tropes.
Re:Cyber attack on German parliament still active, could cos...
by fwn on Tuesday June 16, 2015 @10:04AM
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In my argument I used Somalia as a metaphor to transport an idea of a certain type of hostile enviroment.
I don't see how - in this context - a debate on somalias current affairs can be seen as something other than derailing.
Re:Cyber attack on German parliament still active, could cos...
by fwn on Thursday June 11, 2015 @09:06AM
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Oh, sure. I'm with you on that! I did not want to say the media shouldn't blame the attacker..
Re:Cyber attack on German parliament still active, could cos...
by zimbatm on Thursday June 11, 2015 @09:20AM
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The victim here is not the government but the people it's supposed to serve. They are providing a bad service if data (likely ours but they don't say) gets stolen away.
Re:Cyber attack on German parliament still active, could cos...
by pluma on Thursday June 11, 2015 @12:52PM
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Bingo. The gov't/company is the victim of the hack, but the citizen/customer is the victim of the negligence that allowed the hack to happen.
This isn't like someone parking their unlocked sportscar in Somalia. This is like a valet parking someone else's unlocked sportscar in Somalia.
These days, if a website gets defaced because of an outdated Wordpress installation, the media instantly rallies to the victim's defence and portrays the script kiddies that did it as terrorists. And if they're not personally identifiable, they're government agents of wherever their IP addresses originate from (or whoever the current political go-to villain happens to be).
I wouldn't be surprised if this major government IT SNAFU paves the way to more aggressive "cyber crime" laws and more posturing against Russia. It'll also likely be used to make the public forget about the entire NSA ordeal (because hey, we totally need the US to protect us against evil Russia).
Keep in mind that the entire "we're under attack" narrative isn't as popular or widely accepted in Germany as it is in the US. The last attempt to portray us as having to defend ourselves against an attack was during our involvement in Afghanistan, which the public generally disagreed with (although our politicians promised unlimited solidarity to the US).
We're also in a really awkward position: politically we're very dependent on the US (up to the point where US agencies can legally do what it wants in Germany thanks to post-WW2 agreements) but economically we're also very dependent on Russia -- as is a lot of Europe, for that matter.