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Re:Software Is Eating the Job Market by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 09, 2015 @07:18PM (#9689155)
> Social Security and Medicare expanded to everyone, regardless of age.

That's an idea, but its not the idea of UBI. Medicare is a complex health insurance system consisting both of government provided and government-subsidized-private health insurance, it isn't anything like UBI.

Social Security is, aside from age or disability test to withdraw from it, a system with benefits governed by your (or your spouse's) past contributions, as such its also (even ignoring the age/disability part) very much not like UBI.

Re:Software Is Eating the Job Market by toomuchtodo on Tuesday June 09, 2015 @07:30PM (#9689203)
> That's an idea, but its not the idea of UBI. Medicare is a complex health insurance system consisting both of government provided and government-subsidized-private health insurance, it isn't anything like UBI.

Single-payer healthcare removes a HUGE problem with providing basic income. I don't see how providing universal healthcare interferes with UBI.

> Social Security is, aside from age or disability test to withdraw from it, a system with benefits governed by your (or your spouss) past contributions, its also (even ignoring the age/disability part) very much not like UBI.

And.....? The SSA is already extremely efficient at distributing funds. Allow them to issue no-fee debit cards they issue, remove age/disability testing, ignore contributions, and then get funding from the general fund.

I'm not saying its easy. I'm saying its how you eat an elephant: one bite at a time.

Re:Software Is Eating the Job Market by dragonwriter on Tuesday June 09, 2015 @07:34PM (#9689222)
> Single-payer healthcare removes a HUGE problem with providing basic income.

Whether or not that's the case, single-payer healthcare is a different idea from UBI, not a component of UBI (and, indeed, something that conservative supporters of UBI -- of which there are quite a few -- are more likely to see UBI as an alternative to rather than to see as part of UBI.)

> > Social Security is, aside from age or disability test to withdraw from it, a system with benefits governed by your (or your spouse's) past contributions, its also (even ignoring the age/disability part) very much not like UBI.

> And.....?

And so your claim that the idea of UBI is Social Security and Medicare for everyone regardless of age is simply grossly inaccurate.

Re:Software Is Eating the Job Market by dllthomas on Wednesday June 10, 2015 @01:25AM (#9690236)
You seem to be objecting to an attempt at defining UBI. I'd interpreted the context as "give me a proposal for how to do UBI", in which case "Social Security and Medicare for everyone" does seem an attempt at such a proposal. The proposal is substantially incomplete, as the question certainly arises of how to calculate social security benefits for those who haven't worked long enough to qualify under existing rules... but with certain answers to that question, it would be implementing a UBI system (along with other stuff as well).
Re:Software Is Eating the Job Market by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 10, 2015 @01:37AM (#9690265)
Fair enough. It's certainly, at least, a place to start a discussion of the mechanics.