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Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by idlewords on Thursday June 04, 2015 @02:11PM (#9660997)
I worked on Pipes briefly, shortly after it launched. It was really two distinct products rolled into one. The visual interface was groundbreaking and stunning-I think half my team was hired on the strength of that demo. No one could believe Javascript could do that.

The backend was an extremely useful tool for munging RSS feeds. With any kind of support, or even benign neglect, the product would have been successful. It took a lot of active mismanagement and folly to keep Pipes from living up to its promise.

Hats off to psadri and the other Pipes creators for a really stellar piece of work.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by smacktoward on Thursday June 04, 2015 @02:24PM (#9661101)
> It took a lot of active mismanagement and folly to keep Pipes from living up to its promise.

I feel like this unique blend will be Yahoo's lasting contribution to the field of management theory.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by bsder on Thursday June 04, 2015 @04:29PM (#9661831)
DEC/Compaq/HP is really hard to top in the area of mismanagement.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by sirkneeland on Thursday June 04, 2015 @04:49PM (#9661952)
Don't forget Nokia. Going from #1 in a market to doing so badly that you exit the market--and all in the span of 3 years--is something to behold.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by hippiefahrzeug on Thursday June 04, 2015 @04:55PM (#9661986)
good one. it's what one famous blogger calls the 'elop effect': http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/08/coining...
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by speeder on Thursday June 04, 2015 @08:37PM (#9663162)
By the way: many people in the past, including here on HN says that Elop was right, and that the reason Nokia died was 100% apple+google fault.

Here in Brazil Elop effect was interesting: it was VERY obvious, yet noone here knows who the hell Elop is.

To put it simple: When Elop released that stupid memo, Nokia had 67% of Brazil smartphone market share, and the share was still rising, and Nokia utterly dominated in the non-smartphone market too. Right after Elop memo, the first thing that happened is that suddenly the communities died (although Nokia store DID suck, there was at least in Brazil a vibrant freeware app community that shared stuff in forums), then just some months later you could not find phones for sale, even new models, because the import companies DID heard of Elop memo, and decided to not risk importing the phones, even if shopkeepers still wanted it.

The end result was funny: Elop nuking of Symbian was so hard, that in Brazil other smartphones could not keep up for a while, and we temporarily had a decrease in smartphone use, and a increase in feature phone use, and that increase came mostly from truly crap chinese companies, because not even Nokia feature phones could be found in stores anymore.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by adventured on Friday June 05, 2015 @01:17AM (#9663993)
It wasn't Elop that sank Nokia, it was Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo.

By the time Elop was announced as CEO in late 2010, Kallasvuo had already guaranteed Nokia was toast.

Just go back to the way Nokia was behaving, and what they were saying in 2007/2008 for easy proof of that.

"Nokia CEO calls Apple iPhone ‘niche product’"

http://macdailynews.com/2008/04/17/nokia_shares_slammed_in_w...

http://www.informationweek.com/mobile/nokia-ceo-disses-iphon...?

http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/12/nokia-kallasvuo-iphone-face...

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/1112/048.html

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by rodgerd on Friday June 05, 2015 @04:36AM (#9664473)
> Elop was a director of consulting for Lotus Development Corporation before becoming CIO for Boston Chicken in 1992,[3][7] which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 1998

> In the same year, he joined Macromedia's Web/IT department[7] [...] from January 2005[10] for three months before their acquisition by Adobe Systems

> He was then president of worldwide field operations at Adobe, tendering his resignation in June 2006 and leaving in December,[12] after which he was the COO of Juniper Networks for exactly one year from January 2007 – 2008

This is not the CV of a man that I would hire for anything other than running a going concern into the ground.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by sirkneeland on Thursday June 04, 2015 @06:07PM (#9662448)
Ahh, what a terrible CEO. When the only two possibilities to explain your tenure are 1) a lying co-conspirator or 2) mind-blowingly incompetent--then you've truly done a bang-up job.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by girvo on Thursday June 04, 2015 @07:47PM (#9662992)
I'm still upset by the fact that MeeGo/Maemo was killed, and Nokia sold to Microsoft. The N9 was still the best phone I've ever used, and it's UX ideas are still the simplest and most effective way of using a phone, and yet no one else has implemented it.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by Zirro on Thursday June 04, 2015 @08:13PM (#9663077)
Jolla (https://jolla.com) was founded by people involved in MeeGo development. While their phone got a lukewarm response, I've heard many good things about their upcoming tablet and have ordered one. As you used MeeGo, how does Sailfish OS appear to compare with it?
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by girvo on Thursday June 04, 2015 @09:32PM (#9663345)
Sailfish unfortunately does not have all of the UI things I'm talking about -- the "three screen with edge gestures", which is a shame :( They couldn't, because the N9's UI was never open sourced despite the core being so.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by sirkneeland on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:39PM (#9703339)
Agreed
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by bane on Thursday June 04, 2015 @05:42PM (#9662323)
I feel like Atari might be the grandfather of all this.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by evilotto on Thursday June 04, 2015 @11:52PM (#9663805)
And Commodore would have to get an honorable mention
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by tn13 on Thursday June 04, 2015 @07:39PM (#9662953)
Is Nokia's example really good ? Nokia remain one of the largest companies in telecom hardware provider and handsets was always a side business for them. They successfully sold it to microsoft.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by gcb0 on Thursday June 04, 2015 @05:04PM (#9662044)
i think nokia is more about lack of executive vision/market knowledge. The other examples are more about middle management, besides the executive lack of vision and bean counting.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by psadri on Thursday June 04, 2015 @02:24PM (#9661100)
Thanks :)

Pipes's interface is primary the work of Jonathan Trevor, with lots of help from Daniel Raffel, Ed Ho and others.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by georgemonck on Thursday June 04, 2015 @02:44PM (#9661243)
It took a lot of active mismanagement and folly to keep Pipes from living up to its promise.

I would love to read a blog post about how exactly it was mismanaged. It would be great for others to learn lessons from the mistakes.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by smacktoward on Thursday June 04, 2015 @03:04PM (#9661362)
The first rule of Mismanagement Club is you never talk about how you got into Mismanagement Club.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by clockwerx on Thursday June 04, 2015 @10:52PM (#9663611)
Incorrect. The first rule of mismanagement club is to never know exactly how you got into mismanagement club; but by god you are going to do a bang up job of it now you are in!
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by cehlen on Thursday June 04, 2015 @04:54PM (#9661983)
Love the reference!
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by meatysnapper on Thursday June 04, 2015 @03:27PM (#9661480)
Get a job at Twitter and you can see this in action. It's pretty epic.
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by wutbrodo on Thursday June 04, 2015 @05:21PM (#9662151)
I think most/many people could reasonably say this about their company; I currently work at Google and feel quite the same. I'm not convinced that either Google or Twitter[1] qualify as a particularly spectacular example of mismanagement though.

[1] I don't have first-hand experience but one of my best friends work there and we regularly vent to each other about work complaints.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by aleem on Thursday June 04, 2015 @05:28PM (#9662198)
I'll echo those sentiments, the UI for that time certainly had a wow factor.

> With any kind of support, or even benign neglect, the product would have been successful.

Look at IFTTT services now and it's easy to realize that pipes even in its original incarnation could have been so much more given its brain dead UI ease.

It's a shame that Yahoo is shutting this down rather than pivoting it as an IFTTT or similar. I'd wager that it's lack of ownership that makes it hard to pivot. I also don't recall it having a premium tier which has got to weigh down the resources--talent always gravitates toward revenue centers it seems.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by jldugger on Thursday June 04, 2015 @06:20PM (#9662527)
> talent always gravitates toward revenue centers it seems.

Ie the 'new management can't fire my entire division for being unprofitable' center. Seems like a smart move for the people who wrote Pipes but never found a business model for it.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by jakejake on Thursday June 04, 2015 @02:52PM (#9661292)
I wrote a simple Wordpress plugin that works with RSS feeds. In addition to aggregating fees, Pipes has been a go-to solution when people report feeds that are malformed, have some weird characters or anything that chokes the Wordpress RSS parser (simplepie). People would run them through pipes, which seemed to handle anything and output clean RSS.

I'm sad to see it go and it'll be missed by quite a few people who use my plugin.

Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by yenda on Thursday June 04, 2015 @04:24PM (#9661811)
maybe www.busit.com can replace it for that matter
Re:Yahoo Pipes End-Of-life Announcement by edho on Thursday June 04, 2015 @05:14PM (#9662107)
It was really great to work with you. During the post-launch chaos, it was life saver that you didn't have your hair on fire like the rest of us :)

Jonathan Trevor's Javascript was out of this world amazing for the time.