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Re:The programming talent myth by jasonwocky on Monday June 01, 2015 @08:22AM (#9637992)
> Most people can't begin to program; conversely, most people can begin to run.

This is based on what? You really think that most people can't be taught the basics of "Hello World", or a function that multiplies two numbers?

Plenty of people write Excel formulas when faced with the need to. That's "beginning to program".

Re:The programming talent myth by learnstats2 on Monday June 01, 2015 @08:32AM (#9638030)
Yes, I agree with you, Excel formulas are absolutely programming. And yes, I agree, these are skills that can be taught.

But not that many people write Excel formulas. Up to 50% of people in the West don't have basic numeracy skills enough to do what you describe.

Re:The programming talent myth by kazinator on Monday June 01, 2015 @08:54AM (#9638143)
I would say that you're beginning to program when you write something that iterates or recurses. With a clear terminating condition: not merely spreadsheet formulas that contain a cyclic reference whereby you iterate until some numbers appear to stabilize.

In my mind, the recognition of repeated structures in a spreadsheet count as beginning of programming. This sort of thing: "if I create this pattern of cell references and then repeat it across the grid arbitrarily far, such and such a result/behavior will emerge". It is like recursion unfolded, and on the verge of being codified compactly.

Re:The programming talent myth by benedikt on Monday June 01, 2015 @10:47AM (#9638931)
Not only that, but Excel is the worlds most popular functional programming language.
Re:The programming talent myth by tedmiston on Monday June 01, 2015 @10:28AM (#9638779)
In the context of 10x, I think we are talking about programmers that can begin to program _professionally_ vs. bike riding as a hobby.
Re:The programming talent myth by mauricemir on Monday June 01, 2015 @08:59AM (#9638169)
And back in the day in the UK our CSE class at 13/14 had no difficulty learning programming and that was an assembly language with only Add sub and some jump instructions

For context the UK used to have CSE and O Level Exams at 16 the CSE ones where for the vocational track kids who would leave school at 16.