Re:Ask HN: How to out a MAJOR online company storing passwor...
by ryanlol on Monday June 01, 2015 @02:46AM
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Customer support. A human can then verify the user even if they can only remember a part of the password.
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Re:Ask HN: How to out a MAJOR online company storing passwor...
by stephenr on Monday June 01, 2015 @11:36AM
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Sounds like a security flaw ripe for social engineering
Re:Ask HN: How to out a MAJOR online company storing passwor...
by ryanlol on Monday June 01, 2015 @01:28PM
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Customer support by itself tends to be a security flaw ripe for social engineering.
Re:Ask HN: How to out a MAJOR online company storing passwor...
by stephenr on Monday June 01, 2015 @04:29PM
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Phone support can be tricky yes, but there are other ways to identify the caller without storing their password in plaintext
Re:Ask HN: How to out a MAJOR online company storing passwor...
by ryanlol on Monday June 01, 2015 @04:37PM
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Callbacks? Users PII? There's really no good ways to do phone verification. You can't use any kind of shared secrets as people forget those.
Re:Ask HN: How to out a MAJOR online company storing passwor...
by stephenr on Monday June 01, 2015 @05:23PM
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My bank uses an automated system to verify a pin (ie the operator transfers you to confirm identity then you come back)
But it also depends on the realm. Before the saas craze, a lot more support was performed in-house meaning you didn't have the same scale of problem.
Re:Ask HN: How to out a MAJOR online company storing passwor...
by ryanlol on Tuesday June 02, 2015 @01:25AM
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Verify a pin? But that's still something you have to remember, not providing support for users who have forgotten their passwords doesn't tend to be an option.
Re:Ask HN: How to out a MAJOR online company storing passwor...
by stephenr on Tuesday June 02, 2015 @02:00AM
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As I said, it's for my bank, so it's my card pin - I already need to remember it.
Also as I said - this was much less of an issue when companies maintained IT departments and installed software. It's much easier to verify that Julie on the phone really is Julie when it's an internal support mechanism.