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Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by sagivo on Sunday May 31, 2015 @02:05AM (#9633257)
i used couchsurfing myself, as a host and guest all over the world. one point the article didn't talk about - Airbnb. once people realized they can charge money for the empty room/couch they ditched couchserfing. i find it too bad because in a way we all hurt ourself by charging each other. there was something magical about the vision that says - host someone from other county for free and next time you'll visit there you have a free place too.
Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by ShellfishMeme on Sunday May 31, 2015 @07:01AM (#9633796)
Together with my friends, we are living in a large apartment, so there's often one room empty or extra space for people to sleep. We used to frequently host couch surfers, but in the end we have made the most friends and had the best experience with airbnb priced to just cover the room rent.

We found it to greatly reduce conflicts between guests and hosts, and actually get people more engaged in our small community.

With couch surfing, I often had thoughts like "I pay for your room and you can't even put your dirty dishes away". Since we offered the room for free, we kind of expected some sort of autonomy from their side to help us out in the household or maybe cook some dinner for everyone if they stay longer than one night. They often expected that we would go explore the city with them and give them a lot of attention.

On airbnb that problem somehow mostly vanished. If things with the guest aren't great, at least you get paid. Thus you also don't need such a strict screening process anymore. Due to this, there seems to be much more diversity regarding the types of people we get to meet.

Many of them actually just want a quiet room to sleep in, and it's absolutely fine. Some people however really get involved and become good friends. Especially when they stay longer (which almost never happens on couch surfing), the fact that they pay rent just like everyone else seems to make some of them much more open to suggest improvements and be proactive.

We've met a lot of diverse, interesting people through airbnb, some of which ended up staying for a long time, some coming back regularly. On couch surfing we've mostly met the traveling couple, group of friends coming here to party and young backpacker stereotypes.

What killed couch surfing for me personally though, was that no matter how many people I've hosted, I could never find anyone who would host me when I was traveling somewhere. That really destroyed the magical vision for me.

Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by pcpolice on Sunday May 31, 2015 @10:35AM (#9634272)
> What killed couch surfing for me personally though, was that no matter how many people I've hosted, I could never find anyone who would host me when I was traveling somewhere.

So much this. I've probably hosted easily 30-40 different groups or individuals (which is perhaps not a lot by CS standard, but fine, I've done my dues, no?), and I have only been able to surf 3 times, of which 2 were arranged by the attractive young lady I was travelling with (I am not 100% serious, that is sexist, but I suspect this dynamic does play a role). On the other hand, I have frequently sent out 20-50 reasonably personalized surfing requests, depending on popularity of destination, etc. Of course you'll have to take my word that I didn't just copy and paste a one-liner like "Hey I'll be in your city from x to y July, can I stay at your place?", but still, CS is dead to me, I don't even try to surf any more.

Another telling thing is that in many popular destinations (New York most recently for me) the first two pages of search results include predominantly photos of muscular males posing without t-shirts. Somehow I didn't feel drawn to that. :(

Great idea, tragedy of the commons?

Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by ikonst on Sunday May 31, 2015 @02:32PM (#9635022)
For me, it greatly depends on the location. At locations where hostels are readily available and cheap, I had easy time couchsurfing, e.g. Mexico, and had a very good time (that was last summer, 2014). In SF, yeah, good luck, and better be a handsome girl/guy (and maybe get some unwanted advances).

Though, actually, back in 2010 I did find a CS host in Brooklyn, NY within maybe 5-10 requests, so YMMV.

Israel, I've been told by my guests, is very easy.

Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by personlurking on Sunday May 31, 2015 @07:24AM (#9633843)
> I could never find anyone who would host me when I was traveling somewhere.

This part really does suck. They say to write a personalized message to someone available to host and who has things in common with you. Try as one may, this is hit or miss (more of a hit if you're a young, attractive female). I've tried countless times over the years, despite having all positive references and a full, friendly profile, but to no avail. People don't even respond, 95% of the time.

Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by kaybe on Sunday May 31, 2015 @07:01PM (#9635938)
The whole travel experience is different when you're female. A lot of this is due to the fact that one is not perceived as dangerous, but at the same time vulnerable.

This means people are in general more open, especially other women, and especially those in cultures with more pronounced differences between the genders. Other women will be much more open to helping, in hitchhiking, in couchsuring and elsewhere. Guys will also be more open, but often enough in an unwanted way, which thus always has to be considered (Schroedinger's rapist). Not all offers should be accepted. Thus, it's easier and harder.

Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by snogglethorpe on Sunday May 31, 2015 @07:21AM (#9633837)
> Thus you also don't need such a strict screening process anymore

Is that true? I'd think screening would be more for keeping out the nutters than anything else... and I suspect most people wouldn't want to host nutters even if they got paid.

Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by ShellfishMeme on Sunday May 31, 2015 @07:48AM (#9633873)
I meant something like "cultural fit" screening. If you pay, I don't care if you are a freelance developer, a young couple, whether you are introvert and stay in your room, or tell us your whole life story over dinner.

If you pay for it and want to spend two weeks alone in your room and never talk to us, that's more or less fine. If you live in my apartment for free and you're not getting involved in at least some way, I'll be angry and disappointed.

So that way, screening on CS needs to be much more thorough and the chance that you get disappointed is much higher.

Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by drewmeyers24 on Monday June 01, 2015 @01:08PM (#9640286)
The screening process is vital. I believe if by giving people way more granular control over who (people and community members) they are willing to field requests from, we can increase the frequency of hospitality & cultural exchanges occurring.
Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by emerongi on Sunday May 31, 2015 @02:43AM (#9633315)
Couchsurfing is not that effective if 95% of the community is just looking for a free place and 5% actually hosts. You've got way too many parasites in the community. With Airbnb, that problem is solved - people who don't host have to pay and the people who do host can still reduce their costs significantly when they go for a trip themselves.
Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by gurkendoktor on Sunday May 31, 2015 @04:50AM (#9633535)
I think the parasite problem is/was not that bad outside of tourist hotspots. In fact, one couple that hosted me in Eastern Russia is frustrated that there are not enough visitors anymore, probably both because of CouchSurfing's decline and the Ukraine crisis. I've hosted a dozen people or so in an obscure Asian city, and none of them were parasites either.
Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by abricot on Sunday May 31, 2015 @05:49AM (#9633670)
I think the key here is "outside of large business/cultural hubs". If you had hosted in NYC or Hamburg your story could be different altogether.
Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by 3stripe on Sunday May 31, 2015 @03:51AM (#9633418)
I live in a rented apartment so I can't legally host on Airbnb - but I'd love to simultaneously room-swap with people in other cities when I travel... (Eg swap my place in London with someone in Berlin for a week or two)
Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by beagle3 on Sunday May 31, 2015 @04:21AM (#9633474)
I don't think you can legally do that if you can't legally host in AirBnB. You may, but e.g. my lease (before I owned my apartment) specifically limited non-family[0] stays to no more than 1 week at a time, and no more than 4 weeks per year total. On one hand, it is non-trivially onerous. On the other hand, I really liked the apartment, and I understood the rationale.

[0] the "family" was very broadly defined - e.g it explicitly included unmarried S/O and their family, and implicitly close friends. but it wouldn't have included "someone I never met and who found me on couchsurfing.org".

Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by carrotleads on Sunday May 31, 2015 @07:31AM (#9633852)
I had seen a site that does this[1] but think they are more geared to bigger residences.

May have small setups too..

[1] http://lovehomeswap.com

Re:The improbable rise and fall of Couchsurfing by drewmeyers24 on Monday June 01, 2015 @01:10PM (#9640302)
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