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Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by ajmurmann on Saturday May 30, 2015 @09:45PM (#9632668)
As a German who lives in the US since 8 years I am not surprised by this at all. By the time you finish university in Germany you are about 25 years old. They introduced the Bachelor/Master system, but at least when I studied, getting a Bachelor was more of a way to drop out gracefully. In addition there was a culture that expected you to stay at home until your child is at least 1 year old. Therefore there was very little support to take care of very young children. For well educated couples this leaves an extremely small window in which you can have children. That doesn't even account yet for people with other goals. Having a child means having time to try to bootstrap a startup parallel to your day job or doing extensive travel becomes extremely hard if not downright impossible. An additional factor is that most Germans aren't religious and even the ones who are are only on paper, but don't actually care very much. Religion often times plays a large role in people's desire to have children. That rarely happens in Germany.
Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by danieldk on Sunday May 31, 2015 @05:15AM (#9633592)
Therefore there was very little support to take care of very young children. For well educated couples this leaves an extremely small window in which you can have children.

Moreover, there are very few day cares that accept children after three months (which is pretty normal in The Netherlands and probably most other Western countries). This creates the perception of having to choose between a career and children (in some fields, leaving for a few years is a high-impact career choice). Luckily, things seem to be changing slowly:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/law-goes-into-ef...

There are tax incentives to have children (e.g. we wouldn't lose much income if my wife decided to stop working), unfortunately it seems that the conservative government (CDU/CSU) does not seem to be realize that most modern people don't want to live the 'man works, wife stays home with the children until they are 18'-lifestyle.

Another problem is that employers are not very flexible towards reducing the work week. Fortunately, our employer was flexible, allowing my wife to work four days. But I hear that it's hard in general for e.g. husband & wife to both work four days.

Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by tormeh on Sunday May 31, 2015 @06:54AM (#9633786)
>Moreover, there are very few day cares that accept children after three months

Doesn't the baby need milk in that period? Sounds like opposite of how it should be.

Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by danieldk on Monday June 01, 2015 @07:41AM (#9637861)
You can bottle milk just fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_pump

Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by chillingeffect on Tuesday June 02, 2015 @12:04PM (#9646764)
breast pumps are not a panacea.
Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by josteink on Sunday May 31, 2015 @04:25AM (#9633483)
For the female part of a couple stability is important, and owning your own house/apartment plays a big role there.

I've heard that getting into the house ownership market in Germany is extremely hard, with high requirements set on your own savings to be granted a loan, meaning most people don't until they are well into their 30s and maybe even their 40s.

To me that certainly also sound like a contributing factor. Any comments or perspective on that?

Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by rbehrends on Sunday May 31, 2015 @06:52AM (#9633783)
It's unlikely that this is a major contributing factor. German laws are extremely tenant-friendly, there is no social stigma associated with renting, and renting vs. owning is often a lifestyle choice rather than one explained by income (according to a recent study, a great many Germans could afford a home of their own, but choose to rent, anyway). Keep in mind that even Angela Merkel is among those who rent, even though between her income and that of her husband (who is a tenured professor), they could easily afford a pretty nice home.

The low birthrate is primarily driven by college-educated women having few or no children (over 30% of all German women who were born between 1964 and 1968 and had a college degree did not have any children). It has historically been difficult to be a working mother in Germany; it was both more challenging (school being out at lunchtime) and society frowned upon you being a working mother.

This has slowly been changing; reunification happened and East German women weren't having any of this nonsense; politicians realized that the net effect was that the fertility rate dropped; and the abortion debate and a subsequent judgement by the Constitutional Court forced legislation that made having children easier. As a result, it is now a whole lot easier to be a parent (single or married, male or female) than it used to be.

This did at least stabilize the fertility rate, which had been dropping before. While nominally, Germany's fertility rate is 1.4, this does not account for the fact that the great majority of German children are being born after their mothers reach the age of thirty; current estimates set the actual fertility rate -- i.e. the average number of children a woman has over her lifetime -- at 1.6. More importantly, this number did stabilize in the aughts and has actually been increasing since then for college-educated women.

Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by thoa on Sunday May 31, 2015 @04:49AM (#9633530)
I don't think owning a house/apartment in Germany is important for most couple (to decide to have a baby).

It is normal here (for my parents/grandparents/friends) to live in a rented flat and perhaps move sometime on to a own house/apartment.

Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by justincormack on Sunday May 31, 2015 @04:48AM (#9633527)
Most people rent, home ownership is 43%, so no I dont think people consider they need to own a home before having children. There is a stable long term rental market.
Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by mafribe on Sunday May 31, 2015 @06:13AM (#9633728)
I don't think home ownership is an issue. Lifelong renting is the norm, costs of renting homes are low, quality of rental property is high and relevant legislation is tenant-friendly.
Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by lorenzhs on Sunday May 31, 2015 @08:10AM (#9633906)
On the aspect of religion, this varies strongly by region. In the "neue Bundesländer" (former GDR), people are generally a lot less religious due to the GDR actively discouraging religion. Meanwhile, Bavaria is very catholic (and quite conservative). It would be interesting to see if/how religion and birth rate correlate in Germany.
Re:Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate by anouk_anca on Sunday May 31, 2015 @11:37AM (#9634456)
There is also a big economic disparity between the former GDR and Bavaria, so I'm not sure how valid a comparison just based on religion could be.