Consciousness Began When the Gods Stopped Speaking

Re:Consciousness Began When the Gods Stopped Speaking by mistercow on Thursday May 28, 2015 @12:43PM (#9619353)

Jaynes uses the Odyssey as a post bicameralism work. The Odyssey was written well before any of those people were alive.

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Re:Consciousness Began When the Gods Stopped Speaking by drzaiusapelord on Thursday May 28, 2015 @01:18PM (#9619612)

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So he decides to read early texts, including The Iliad and The Odyssey, to look for signs of people who aren’t capable of introspection—people who are all sea, no rime. And he believes he sees that in The Iliad. He writes that the characters in The Iliad do not look inward, and they take no independent initiative. They only do what is suggested by the gods.

The Iliad is from 1200BC story, so that means he calling a good chunk of written history and those civilizations (Egypt, early Greece, Mesopotamia) as having this ridiculous pre-modern consciousness.

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Re:Consciousness Began When the Gods Stopped Speaking by mistercow on Friday May 29, 2015 @12:05PM (#9625411)

> So he decides to read early texts, including The Iliad and The Odyssey, to look for signs of people who aren’t capable of introspection—people who are all sea, no rime. And he believes he sees that in The Iliad.

Right, not in the Odyssey. And I've read the book; he specifically contrasts the Iliad with the Odyssey.

>The Iliad is from 1200BC story, so that means he calling a good chunk of written history and those civilizations (Egypt, early Greece, Mesopotamia) as having this ridiculous pre-modern consciousness.

Yes, that is correct. But not the people who you listed.

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