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Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by farresito on Monday May 25, 2015 @04:58AM (#9599191)
This sort of news really scare me. Your brain defines who you are and what capabilities you have, and damaging it can completely change you. The brain is very responsible for a big part of your success and losing it can have a big impact in your life.
Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by madaxe_again on Monday May 25, 2015 @05:01AM (#9599200)
Cognitive decline happens whether you like it or not, I'm afraid to say.

I've hit my early 30s and I've started noticing that I'm far more prone to inappropriately replaced words, can't memorise long strings of digits as well as I used to be able to, and so-forth.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by Udo on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:43AM (#9599450)
That's way too early in life for signs of cognitive decline. Are you challenging yourself enough? Do you get adequate and deep rest? Are you preoccupied or depressed? Are you keeping yourself healthy? I know, these are personal (and maybe somewhat condescending-sounding) questions - but they're just examples for things that can impact your mental performance.

Generally, the body's ability to take punishment starts to decline in the thirties which can manifest in mental impairment, but someone who's taking good care of themselves should actually enjoy a pretty well-tuned brain. Biologically speaking there should not be enough damage to justify capability deterioration for a long time to come.

All things being equal, I'd say it comes down to the use-it-or-lose it mantra: your brain gets better in areas where it's being used, and atrophies in others where it isn't.

Mental competence is not a hallmark of youth. In fact, problem-solving performance in many fields should go up with experience, and only degrade very late in life when things like ischemic attacks, prions, cellular garbage, and the natural neuronal die-off rate all come into play as significant factors.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by outworlder on Monday May 25, 2015 @10:13AM (#9600082)
> Do you get adequate and deep rest?

This is key.

I have noticed the same symptoms as the parent. And I can't be blamed by not challenging my brain enough - I am learning Haskell, doing a side project and there's the day job.

If I had to measure myself, I'd guess that I'm working at 40% of what I was in my 20's (I'm 34). However, I probably have sleep apnea (I say probably because my doctor asked me to get a bunch of exams and I'm not through with all of them yet, only thing I know for certain is that the blood pressure is higher than it should be). I self medicate with copious amounts of caffeine and yet I'm always feeling sleepy and hazy, as if I were not fully out in the real world.

So yeah, the other poster likely has some underlying health condition. Which could be as simple as not getting enough sleep. I can't function at all with less than 8 hours, while I could in my youth.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by araes on Monday May 25, 2015 @12:41PM (#9600675)
Hmm, sounds familiar. Any also true?

Adult acne? Itchy ears? Intermittent neck cramps? Progressive hair loss? Sleep better with a fan blowing over you? Acid reflux?

If so, possibly try getting into a tub, drawing a moderate layer of water, and then performing breathing exercises into the water. In/out with force. Nose/nose, Mouth/mouth, Nose/mouth, yatta. Note: I did not relish the outcome, ymmv.

Repeat after: twisting torso, xing/unxing arms, alternating closed nostrils, plugging nostrils and pressurizing breathing tract + ears, vigorous activity (jogging)

Also, if the hair one is true, regularly brush your hair w/ a soft end comb. (I almost guarantee loss will stop)

Also, if the adult acne is true, try the opposite of common sense, and apply a thick skin cream (Aveno's decent) or a gellified salt like deodorant if it's not sensitive skin. Make sure to apply well to areas near openings to ears/nose/mouth/eyes. (You should do this anyhow as it slows your apparent age)

Also, if reflux, try high acidic/bitter/basic/spicy/salty foods and see whether they trigger/solve reflux and whether you sleep better/worse.

Also, possibly try sleeping fully enclosed within a sheet.

Not a doctor, your own risk, other standard medical disclaimers by non-pro.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by marcosdumay on Monday May 25, 2015 @11:30AM (#9600398)
> I self medicate with copious amounts of caffeine and yet I'm always feeling sleepy and hazy, as if I were not fully out in the real world.

Have you tried stopping? I mean, too much caffeine makes me sleepy too (not over the same say, but after a while).

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by madaxe_again on Monday May 25, 2015 @07:08PM (#9602111)
Oh, my overall cognition is fine, as far as I can internally assess, and no, I get nowhere near as much sleep as I should, which probably accounts for more than I grant. As to challenge - plenty of it.

It's really rather more associative fuckups, as someone else in the thread describes - even if I have the right word in my head, my hands may type something utterly different, which usually starts with the same letter and relates to what I was after, but differs.

As to memorisation - I'm talking having gone from being able to indefinitely retain 20+ digit strings on first sight to maybe half that, and often finding I've switched a digit.

As you say, sleep is probably a major component in this, and I can't recall sleeping more than a few consecutive hours in years - usually manage six hours of restless sleep before throwing the towel in and getting back to doing whatever it was I was doing when I nodded off. Can't bear to spend time just lying there. There's too much to do.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by mikekchar on Monday May 25, 2015 @08:41AM (#9599811)
I'm in my late 40s. Definitely I'm not the same person, cognitively, that I was in my 20s. It's not all bad, though. I'm sure I would score lower in an IQ test, but I'm actually more capable than I was back then. Experience counts for a lot. I can deal with emotional stress much better, or perhaps I can avoid the situations which cause it (more likely). I can see other people's point of view a lot easier now. I can see gradations in judgement, where before everything was black and white.

It sucks to lose the horse power, but I more than make up for it by driving the car in the right direction. I suspect the decline will continue, but in many ways I look forward to what I will be able to accomplish when I'm older.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by unclebucknasty on Monday May 25, 2015 @05:34AM (#9599275)
>I've hit my early 30s and I've started noticing that I'm far more prone...

That's a really young age to have any sort of marked age-related cognitive decline. It might be explained by something else--even something as "simple" as insufficient quality sleep or stress, both of which can wreak havoc on cognitive ability.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by wlievens on Monday May 25, 2015 @07:13AM (#9599522)
Did you perhaps also have children recently? They're an absolute joy, but also tend to make you at least 20% dumber :-)
Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by melted on Monday May 25, 2015 @05:34AM (#9599277)
This could be because you're not getting enough sleep (or aren't sleeping well due to e.g. apnea or something). Set up a simple experiment: go to bed 1-1.5 hours earlier than you usually do for a couple of weeks and see if your "cognitive decline" disappears. As you age you might find you need more sleep.
Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by jacquesm on Monday May 25, 2015 @05:41AM (#9599293)
> As you age you might find you need more sleep.

This is very true for me, much to my surprise. I used to get by on 3 to 4 hours every night but that seems to have really caught up with me. If I don't get 8 hours minimum now I'm woozy the rest of the day.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by unclebucknasty on Monday May 25, 2015 @05:48AM (#9599305)
Same here. And "buzzy" when I'm really sleep-deprived. It literally feels like low-level electrical interference running through my head and my thinking and focus are nowhere near as sharp.

It is like some sort of intoxication, which is fitting, because one of the things sleep does for us is clear toxins from our brains.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by jacquesm on Monday May 25, 2015 @05:57AM (#9599321)
> And "buzzy" when I'm really sleep-deprived. It literally feels like low-level electrical interference running through my head and my thinking and focus are nowhere near as sharp.

That's eerie, I have that too. Especially when it is totally quiet in the house. At first I thought it was because I heard the refrigerator, but I switched that off to rule it out. Then I powered down the whole house and the low humming remains. I'll have to try this when I'm totally rested to see if it goes away then, I never made the link to lack of sleep.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by BoardsOfCanada on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:34AM (#9599432)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hum

Read that a while back, look at the possible explanations, especially tinnitus might be a possibility.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by jacquesm on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:46AM (#9599456)
Interesting how much of this I'd already figured out just by experimenting on myself. I definitely did not rule out tinnitus (and I had a pretty bad case of that at some point in the past, which totally ruined listening to violin music for me, but fortunately it has since reduced to the point of not being noticeable, maybe this is some kind of remnant).

Anyway, I think of it as an interesting phenomenon, it doesn't bother me much (except when trying to fall asleep, once I notice it it is impossible to stop noticing it).

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by unclebucknasty on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:13AM (#9599372)
Ok, now this is really funny. There's the buzzy feeling, which I considered distinct from the low hum (til now), but I absolutely hear that low-hum too and also assumed it was the refrigerator. It is more pronounced at certain times, but I never linked it to my sleep deprivation. I'll have to pay attention to that.

Another thing is that I seem to be "sensitive" to some electronics. For instance, I cannot hold a cell phone to my head for more than a few minutes and I even have to take breaks when listening to music on headphones. The feeling I get bears some similarity to my sleep-deprived state, so I have wondered about a relationship there, if not just a further reduction of my tolerance of electronics.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by jacquesm on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:23AM (#9599395)
I think a good part here is that where I live it is very quiet. Last house on a dead end street, nothing but fields around me for miles and miles. So when it's quiet it is really quiet, so quiet that sounds that you'd otherwise never even notice become audible because your brain just keeps cranking up the gain.

I can hear the dear foraging around the house at night, and if a car passes on the nearest highway (a few kilometers away) I can hear that clearly too. But during the day all those sounds vanish, masked by the ever present background noise level which is far higher than it is during the night. And my hearing is actually not nearly as good as it used to be.

One simple solution I've found is to play really low volume white noise, that seems to instantly drown out all of it but strangely enough is very hard to detect by itself.

I never noticed any 'sensitivity to electronics'.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by unclebucknasty on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:52AM (#9599469)
Interesting. Yeah, it's strange that I never seemed to notice the low hum until, say, 5-6 years ago. I assumed it was the house in which I was living at the time, but we moved and I continued to notice it. In my case, both areas are kind of your "standard" suburb and not too far away from one another. BTW, I've also wondered if it was from some far-off industrial source.

But, I also know we lose our high-frequency hearing as we age. I wonder if that somehow increases our sensitivity to the low frequency range.

In any case, I'll have to try the white noise. Seems like it could help with sleep quality, which might in turn reduce sensitivity to it.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by jacquesm on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:55AM (#9599481)
Good luck, let me know how it works out if you want, [email protected].
Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by unclebucknasty on Monday May 25, 2015 @11:39AM (#9600429)
Thanks!
Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by DenisM on Monday May 25, 2015 @01:32PM (#9600893)
Very important point. When I sleep well for a couple of week my memory and cognition are very sharp, but when I don't sleep well I'm having all kinds of cognitive problems. At 30 years old you're likely to have developed something like a sleep apnea, or caffeine metabolism slowdown, or some of the many other problems affecting sleep.

Having said that, simply going to be earlier is not likely to help weed out most of these disorders. Go to a sleep doctor and see what they say. Also, are you getting more irate? For many people it's a lot easier to get angry when they lack sleep.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by unclebucknasty on Monday May 25, 2015 @05:56AM (#9599320)
Good point on the apnea, which tends to come with age, especially if overweight. There are different forms and degrees that don't involve waking and gasping for air, but that could easily impair quality sleep. One sign is consistently feeling unrefreshed after a full night's sleep.

Also a good point about giving it a couple weeks. Chronic sleep deprivation can't be fixed with a night or two of "catching up".

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by jacquesm on Monday May 25, 2015 @05:40AM (#9599291)
> I've hit my early 30s and I've started noticing that I'm far more prone to inappropriately replaced words,

Is this an example of that? Did you mean 'placed' or do I mis-understand you?

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by Elrac on Monday May 25, 2015 @09:15AM (#9599904)
Not the guy you're asking, but I recently said "portico" when I meant to say "patio." I mixed up the two words because they both start with a P and have something to do with architecture. I think this is the kind of thing he meant by "replacement," and it's been happening to me (55) more frequently in recent years.
Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by madaxe_again on Monday May 25, 2015 @07:15PM (#9602134)
Yup, precisely this. I'm inclined to think it may be more sleep deprivation driven than anything else, as I find myself doing it intermittently - and the odd thing is I'll proof what I've written thrice and I'll still mis-read incorrect words as what I had intended rather than what I wrote.

Definitely didn't do this in the past, I find it disquieting, but it's hardly insurmountable!

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by trimble-alum on Monday May 25, 2015 @07:51AM (#9599650)
It's possible to push oneself "harder" and regain function ("neuroplasticity"), as evidenced by stroke rehab.

This is why it's vital to do challenging mental exercises like crosswords puzzles, etc. ("use it or lose it.)

Generally though, the article makes sense because the common cell machinery of nerves (which don't divide as much as say intenstine or dermis cells) can be hampered by underlying issues affecting organelles within nerve cells, which then manifests as functional, quantitative deficit at the macro level.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by JohnBooty on Monday May 25, 2015 @09:54AM (#9600021)
Anecdotally: I'm a week away from turning 39 and I don't feel I've lost any "raw" mental ability, but actual performance has gotten more challenging because I'm pulled in many more directions at once.

Very few people face the same level of obligations at 20 as they will at 30 or 40.

There's also the Dunning-Kruger effect: the better you get at something, the worse you feel you are at it... presumably, all of us have made strides towards mastering our craft in the last 10 or 20 years....

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by codexjourneys on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:45PM (#9602051)
I've noticed a decline in memorization capability in my 30s too, and it sometimes takes a little while to remember small details like what I just ate. It's offset by an increase in my ability to make connections between different topics and ideas.

On balance, I'd choose the connection-making brain over the raw-power brain.

Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by MaysonL on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:04PM (#9601923)
The brain is also quite resilient. I got shot in the head a few decades ago (.22, luckily) with skull fracture and moderate brain damage – mainly a large hole in my visual field, with occasional visual migraines. Intellectually, I seem to have mainly lost a few steps as far as 3d visualizations are concerned, otherwise still about +3 sd IQ.
Re:Infection inflicts a persistent decrease in IQ: study wit... by farresito on Monday May 25, 2015 @06:19PM (#9601968)
Glad to hear you are doing so well! Yes, I completely agree with you the power of the brain to heal itself is amazing. I'm also quite excited by what things are coming in the next ten or twenty years. A good diet probably does wonders, too.

I've been suffering from health issues for the past four years. That's why I'm interested in the brain (I suffer from extreme brain fog, and by extreme I really mean extreme; I can't have a conversation with anyone face to face, and I even have some issues when chatting with people. It takes a long time to really think about what I need to say. I still cannot understand how I'm managing to go through college).