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Re:American Trailer Parks: The owners are getting rich by ZeroGravitas on Sunday May 24, 2015 @09:01AM (#9596096)
I've never found a reasonable explanation of why these long student-doctor hours are a) necessary or b) desirable. I've always put it down to the same thing as the parent, doctor's union's intentionally restricting supply to benefit their members at a great cost to society. Far more of the job could be done by nurses (or a computer), and given the choice between an experienced nurse and a tired and inexperienced doctor, I think the nurse may well win.
Re:American Trailer Parks: The owners are getting rich by barry-cotter on Sunday May 24, 2015 @09:53AM (#9596232)
If you can do your intern year you can do anything and you learn a great deal in that year. Doctors are legally responsible in ways that nurses aren't and compared to the average doctor the average nurse is an idiot.Then again given the choice between a nurse practitioner and a doctor who's been at work for sixteen hours who just qualified I'd take the np.

All that said outside surgery the hours appear to be mostly hazing. Between lessened fatigue and poorer continuity of care reducing doctors' hours is a wash when analysing fatalities and medical errors. This does not hold for surgery. Reducing intern's working hours clearly results in more patient deaths in surgery. Feel free to check on google scholar.

Re:American Trailer Parks: The owners are getting rich by GoodIntentions on Sunday May 24, 2015 @12:54PM (#9596753)
>compared to the average doctor the average nurse is an idiot.

After that statement, I'll assume you don't know what you're talking about or you're in some odd part of the planet where nursing is taught on the job.

Around here, nursing requires years of training. Psych, biology, pharmacology and I don't know what. We have different level of nursing qualifications, with the longest being a nurse practitioner, capable of legally prescribing medication.

It is a field regulated by the same governing body as doctors, and is not trivial in any way.

Re:American Trailer Parks: The owners are getting rich by ZeroGravitas on Sunday May 24, 2015 @10:16AM (#9596310)
Can you summarize the conjetured reason why having your trainee surgeon getting enough sleep to do their job correctly leads to more deaths, I'm intrigued.