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Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by pluma on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @07:14AM (#9575564)
He only had to take asylum in Russia because the US revoked his passport and prevented him from going anywhere else. Russia was never intended to be more than a stop-gap.

Considering how disgustingly subservient all of Europe has been to bend over backwards to the US (e.g. forcing the landing of a presidential plane because someone suspected it was carrying Snowden) you can't really blame him. Russia is the only country in the region that doesn't care whether the US wants him or not (and would even refuse to co-operate simply to flip them off).

Heck, I'd love to see him be granted asylum somewhere else but all of Europe would drop him like a hot potato the second the US told them to hand him over.

Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by csandreasen on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @07:57AM (#9575698)
This is a myth that keeps getting repeated. The US government didn't revoke his passport leaving him stranded in Russia, they revoked his passport the day before he left Hong Kong [1]. He traveled to Russia on what turned out to be an invalid travel document issued by the Ecuadorian embassy in London [2] (same one that Julian Assange is holed up in).

[1] http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-source-nsa-leaker-snowdens...

[2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/ecuador-rafael-...

Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by JupiterMoon on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @08:13AM (#9575760)
How does this change the main point? (That he got stuck in Russia during transit due to invalid travel documents.)
Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by csandreasen on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @08:15PM (#9580246)
The comment was:

> He only had to take asylum in Russia because the US revoked his passport and prevented him from going anywhere else.

That implies that it's the fault of the US government that he is currently in Russia (I think it also forwards the misconception that Snowden was in Russia when his passport was revoked). He didn't have to flee to Hong Kong to begin with. When the US government requested extradition and revoked his passport in order to keep him inside Hong Kong, he fled using what turned out to be an invalid travel document. Snowden has ended up in purely out of his own actions. The US isn't preventing him from traveling - he can walk down to the embassy at any time he wants and get a plane ticket home.

Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by JupiterMoon on Thursday May 21, 2015 @04:32AM (#9581571)
> he can walk down to the embassy at any time he wants and get a plane ticket home.

US English must have diverged quite a lot from UK English if 'home' now means 'prison'.

Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by pluma on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @10:05AM (#9576357)
Thanks for clarifying. Still leaves him stranded in Russia if the Ecuadorian document wasn't enough to get on the connect flight to wherever.
Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by dublinben on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @08:11AM (#9575752)
According to that article, the Ecuadorean travel document was only revoked five days after it was used. Pretty much by definition, if your travel documents are accepted and let you travel, they are valid.
Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by csandreasen on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @08:24PM (#9580280)
No, according to the article, it was issued by the Ecuadorian consul in London, who issued the document because he felt it was an emergency and he couldn't get in contact with the Ecuadorian president. The Ecuadorian president clarified several days later that the consulate in London did not have the authority to issue that document. The safe passage document wasn't revoked, it was never valid to begin with.
Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by toyg on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @07:48AM (#9575665)
> and would even refuse to co-operate simply to flip them off

Indeed -- the decision on Snowden came around the same time Obama was getting ready to invade Syria.

Putin is a de-facto old-school dictator, but on this he did everything right. I wish he'd completed the job by sneaking Snowden to Ecuador via submarine, but I can understand why he didn't -- he can play that card next time he desperately needs a propaganda boost.

Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by pluma on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @09:59AM (#9576321)
Incidentally, the decision not to get more involved in Syria was probably the better choice at the time. No matter what you think of the dictator's morals, a good portion of the rebels was basically made up of radical Islamists. Exactly who you don't want to be in charge when ISIS enters the scene.

It was interesting to see how suddenly our media (in Germany) stopped their sympathetic reporting on the Syrian rebels and how desperately they need our support (i.e. at least give them some guns) when ISIS began making headlines.

I remember thinking that supporting the rebels in Syria (though it viscerally felt like the "right thing" to do) was probably the worse bad choice to make even before Russia & al heavily spoke against it. It's easy to forget that both the direct intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the less direct support of the rebellions during the "Arab Spring" resulted in very unstable situations and a very disconcerting shift towards Islamist extremism in those regions.

Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by blumkvist on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @07:54AM (#9575685)
Yeah, I don't really believe in coincidences.
Re:Snowden Sees Some Victories, from a Distance by pluma on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @10:02AM (#9576344)
Right. He must be a Russian agent because that's the only reason he could get stuck in Russia on his way from Hong Kong to maybe-Venezuela.

Hanlon's razor kills conspiracies.