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Re:Thoughtcrime by ctdonath on Monday May 18, 2015 @02:25PM (#9566039)
As I noted elsewhere here (esp. my bit about "fire!"), there is a difference between consequences emanating from the speech due to others acting on the information therein, vs punitive consequences contingent on the speech itself.

Don't confuse punishing someone for yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater regardless of reason for doing so, with punishing someone for instigating a crushing stampede by yelling "fire!" in a theater when there knowingly wasn't a threat thereof. Both are certainly "consequences"; I'm concerned that some here seem unclear of the difference and would protect the speaker in the latter case on grounds conflated with the former.

Re:Thoughtcrime by ecdavis on Monday May 18, 2015 @03:07PM (#9566249)
Perhaps I shouldn't have used that example. I wasn't trying to make a value judgement, rather to point out that we have collectively decided, "yes, we like free speech - but only up to a point." That's fine, I'm OK with it, but I think we ought to be clear that when we place limits on where and how people can express themselves we are, by definition, limiting their freedom of speech and expression.

I disagree that the difference you've identified truly exists. In some cases we punish a speaker based on how others reacted to what they said, in some cases we don't. We deliberate on these things on a case-by-case basis, there's no consistent rule.