News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by Swizec on Thursday May 14, 2015 @05:13PM (#9547605)
With Jobs gone, we need a new hero-inventor to worship. Such is life.

Seriously though, when I was a kid I would read about "famous scientists of old" every night. They were my rockstars. Edison, Watt, Lister, the list goes on. I had a book about them, their lives, their inventions. Everything. I must have read that book a thousand times before I was 14.

Then one day when I was 18 I visited the London technical museum. In it was a Watt exhibit. It said "Watt bought a lot of patents, he invented a few small things, but his main innovation was leasing steam engines instead of selling them."

It was then that I realized all those scientists of old I worship weren't scientists at all. They were good engineers. Excellent integrators of other people's inventions and work. Magnificent funders of scientists' work.

But most of all they were businessmen. Because it doesn't matter who invents a thing, what matters is who uses the thing to bring actual change to people.

It doesn't matter who invented the lightbulb. It matters who invented the electricity grid so people could actually use lightbulbs in their homes.

Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by chriskanan on Thursday May 14, 2015 @05:21PM (#9547650)
The Story of Science is a great six part BBC documentary that talks a lot about the phenomenon you are describing, and episode four talks about Watt specifically. I highly recommend it, and it can be found online.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1xxn3o_bbc-the-story-of-sc...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s9mms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Science:_Power,_Pr...

Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by seahorse on Thursday May 14, 2015 @09:41PM (#9548530)
> it doesn't matter who invents a thing, what matters is who uses the thing to bring actual change to people.

They both matter, and you need both. They come with a different price to pay, and a different reward.

Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by Nadya on Thursday May 14, 2015 @06:14PM (#9547880)
When I was young, I had a large amount of respect for Edison.

When I found out the truth - that he was a businessman more than an inventor - it was quite a let down. Many of his ideas were stolen from people who worked beneath him and the publicity campaign for DC power over AC power is simply terrible.

>it doesn't matter who invents a thing, what matters is who uses the thing to bring actual change to people.

And this is the sad truth of many famous 'inventors'.

Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by RockyMcNuts on Thursday May 14, 2015 @06:59PM (#9548061)
He invented the modern research lab, which is kind of a big deal. Regardless of how many or few of the creative breakthroughs were his personally, he pushed a lot of technology forward, he was sort of the ultimate maker and deserves a great deal of credit.
Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by Nadya on Thursday May 14, 2015 @07:37PM (#9548177)
So he should be credited for his achievements and not falsely accredited for others' achivements.

My respect for him was one of an inventor. The problem is everything I had respected him for inventing - he hadn't even invented!

It's like being told Superman isn't actually Superman, he's Batman. Sure, he's still a superhero and might do awesome things. But I like Superman, I'm not a big fan of Batman. *

*this is a terrible analogy, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to convey.

Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by Swizec on Thursday May 14, 2015 @06:45PM (#9548010)
> And this is the sad truth of many famous 'inventors'.

Why do you think that? Is not the person who makes the lightbulb useful is deserving of more praise than the person who merely invents it?

There are a lot of prototypes out there that never make it in the real world. I don't think the hard work that goes into making things useful on a day-to-day basis should be disregarded.

Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by Nadya on Thursday May 14, 2015 @07:19PM (#9548124)
Try to make something useful that hasn't been invented yet - and you'll see my point.
Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by joesb on Thursday May 14, 2015 @11:07PM (#9548777)
With this logic, you are simply making argument that those making any pre-required invention is more important than any later invention.

Try making light bulb without glass blowing knowledge. Try making light bulb without electricity. Try making light bulb without food and water.

Of course, you can't make something useful before is is invented. But that doesn't mean the invention must be hold at higher important.

Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by Nadya on Friday May 15, 2015 @04:25PM (#9553438)
Strawman.

My argument is not that a new invention cannot be based off of or require previous inventions in order to function. My argument is that improving an invention is not possible without the invention existing.

It's like improving upon a camera without cameras existing. The invention of the camera, in my opinion, is more important than the continued improvements of the camera, at least up until digital cameras - which is innovative enough to recapture the concept of photography but improve upon it in many significant ways. [0]

While improving upon an invention has its own worth and merit - I do not typically hold improving something to the same merit as inventing it. Coming from someone who often improves things, but does not create them.

When it is a drastic improvement or an entirely different approach (ie. innovative changes) - those hold a great deal of merit and may be worthy of respect. But being able to market something better is not something I respect.

I do not hold a lot of respect for marketers and advertisers. I see it as an abuse of trust against people by feeding them subtle lies and abusing how impressionable people can be. If you respect good marketers, then we're merely at a disagreement of opinion. I do not respect people who are skilled at manipulating people. While it may certainly take skill, require knowledge, and may even be difficult! It is not deserving of respect, in my opinion.

[0] Or arguably make it worse, depending on your artistic perspective.

Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by hyperpallium on Thursday May 14, 2015 @09:42PM (#9548535)
Jobs is similar, not actually an inventor (people like Woz did that), but understood it, so could manage, inspire, promote it. A tech CEO. Jobs owned more than one co. too, Pixar.
Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by seesomesense on Thursday May 14, 2015 @11:43PM (#9548844)
"With Jobs gone, we need a new hero-inventor to worship."

Like Jobs and Munk, it is even better if the "hero-inventor" did not invent a single thing.

Re:Elon Musk’s Space Dream Almost Killed Tesla by phodo on Saturday May 16, 2015 @01:35AM (#9555160)
That's invention vs. innovation.