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Re:Memes are a myth by chriswarbo on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @03:44PM (#9541464)
The author claims that memes aren't "real", they're just an idea; yet ideas are exactly what memes are all about! The more attempts are made to justify the claim, the more clearly the evidence for memes piles up: ie. that memetics is a clear example of a meme!

Some deliciously irony:

> Since its introduction almost 40 years ago, the term has taken root in science, language, and popular culture.

> Should we take the existence of memes on scientific faith, or countenance the parsimonious explanation that ideas are just ideas that we use for better or for worse?

> There is no reason to invent a language or a science, or insert some entirely fictitious evolutionary notion, every time we have a question that seems unanswerable.

> It sounds nice, and perhaps the meme is a useful analogy—but it is just an analogy.

Dennet's favourite examples of memes are words. They're clearly "physically real", in that we can capture them with a microphone or a pen. We're nowhere near able to measure the neurological effect of a word on a brain, but we certainly know that the effect is there, since hearing words (eg. instructions) can alter our behaviour.

Re:Memes are a myth by _rpd on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @04:19PM (#9541683)
More irony: the author is attempting to proliferate the meme that "memes are a myth" - presumably to defend some sacred belief system that memetic analysis undermines.
Re:Memes are a myth by bikamonki on Wednesday May 13, 2015 @11:49PM (#9543345)
Memetic analysis would not undermine it, it would explain it ;) But I guess explanation kills the magic. In any case, I agree with you, 'deniers' of memetics tend to be more spiritual/religious. Again, memetics would explain the denial as well: making/breaking neural patterns is no easy task.
Re:Memes are a myth by _rpd on Thursday May 14, 2015 @09:42AM (#9545082)
> I guess explanation kills the magic.

Once belief systems are understood as evolving memetic complexes that compete for niches in the ecology of the noosphere - well, it does tend to unweave the rainbow.