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Re:FTC Officials Back Tesla’s Right to Sell Cars Direct to C... by pyre on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @01:15AM (#9529720)
> But if you think negotiating is unfair, well, yeah, of course it's unfair. File that next to "The Spurs lost" and "I'm not married to a supermodel."

So you accept and encourage car salesmen to take advantage of people with poor negotiating skills (or people that are easily manipulated)? Do these people deserve to have their money taken from them, or does their lack of skill mean that they shouldn't be buying a car at all?

Re:FTC Officials Back Tesla’s Right to Sell Cars Direct to C... by ghaff on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @11:29AM (#9532468)
I guess my flippant answer is "Yes." My less flippant answer is that autos are one of the few personal purchases that US consumers usually have to negotiate a price for. (Of course, many people regularly negotiate as part of their jobs.)

"Should" car purchases be negotiations? Well, they aren't at all dealers or with all brands but it's the way things have evolved in the US generally. I don't consider it right or wrong in some general sense; it's just the way things are. And there are other options for those who choose not to negotiate although they probably won't be quite as good a deal as an aggressively negotiated and shopped around for purchase.

Re:FTC Officials Back Tesla’s Right to Sell Cars Direct to C... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @01:11PM (#9533229)
> "Should" car purchases be negotiations? Well, they aren't at all dealers or with all brands but it's the way things have evolved in the US generally. I don't consider it right or wrong in some general sense; it's just the way things are.

Not for too much longer.

Re:FTC Officials Back Tesla’s Right to Sell Cars Direct to C... by ghaff on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @01:52PM (#9533573)
Is there really a general trend for new cars to be purchased at a non-negotiable price, with standard non-negotiable financing, and with trade-in independent of the new car purchase? I can point to some examples (including but not limited to Tesla) where at least a "no haggle" price is the case but it doesn't seem particularly common. One thing is that, while a lot of people claim to dislike negotiating, those same people want to get a real or perceived "good deal."
Re:FTC Officials Back Tesla’s Right to Sell Cars Direct to C... by greglindahl on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @03:01PM (#9534071)
There is not such a trend, for new cars. Remember that new cars are mostly sold by dealers who have exclusive territories. That gives dealers the freedom to pick a business model that maximizes dealer profits.
Re:FTC Officials Back Tesla’s Right to Sell Cars Direct to C... by omeid2 on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @02:55AM (#9529942)
I agree with the principles of what you are saying; but practically speaking: where does one draws the line? How does that differs from everyday --most often misleading and pretty much fake-- Advertisement? How about mortgage? Surely that is nothing more than ripping off the poor.
Re:FTC Officials Back Tesla’s Right to Sell Cars Direct to C... by pyre on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @10:56AM (#9532205)
In the US, people don't really haggle every day. It's not part of the culture. This stands in stark contrast to the experience of buying a car, which is something people are never going to do frequently enough to build up haggling skills. So it's really context dependent.

In a culture where people haggle constantly (or at least more frequently), then a larger portion of people will have the relevant skill set to navigate these waters. I guess you could "solve" it by building haggling into the culture, but you could also "solve" it by forcing car dealerships to normalize with the way that most other average purchases work.

Re:FTC Officials Back Tesla’s Right to Sell Cars Direct to C... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @12:13PM (#9532769)
Don't know much about mortgage, but advertising is clearly a legalized and glorified antisocial behaviour. Somehow lying and tricking people into parting with their money is a respactable occupation nowadays.
Re:FTC Officials Back Tesla’s Right to Sell Cars Direct to C... by squeeze on Tuesday May 12, 2015 @04:42AM (#9530292)
Both of those examples are objectively awful things, used by desperate people to attain control over others.