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Re:Apple's Mistake by onewland on Thursday November 19, 2009 @02:35PM (#950892)
In high school, I thought that the CodeWarrior IDE (which was, as far as I knew, the dominant development environment) was absolutely terrible. I'm not sure how good my judgment at that time was.

That said, with OS X they really became a lot more developer friendly just because they adopted a UNIX base. At this point, I'd say they're the default platform for ruby/web development. Look at all the rails job postings for small startups promising 30" Mac Pros, etc.

Re:Apple's Mistake by hristov on Thursday November 19, 2009 @07:17PM (#951526)
Yeah, I have terrible experiences with codewarrior as well. I had one programming class in the late 90s that required macs and boy did that make me hate macs with a passion.

But I dont think it was purely a codewarrior issue. The overall apple OS at that time was simply terrible and 10 years behind windows (i wont even count how far behind unix they were) -- they still could not get multitasking to work right. Which meant that any pointer error causes your computer to hang. And when you are coding for a data structures class in C all of your errors are pointer errors.

So I am sure a lot of developers abandoned the mac platform around those times, but maybe many of them are coming back now.

Re:Apple's Mistake by samlittlewood on Thursday November 19, 2009 @04:16PM (#951126)
Unfortunately, CodeWarrior was still way better than MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop) - that was pure pain.
Re:Apple's Mistake by steveklabnik on Thursday November 19, 2009 @05:48PM (#951356)
Oh man, I had so many CodeWarrior shirts... "Blood, sweat, and code," "X Rated" for their OSX version...

I'm pretty sure that it was dominant at the time. I remember reading a lot of examples that used it.

Re:Apple's Mistake by YuriNiyazov on Thursday November 19, 2009 @02:47PM (#950929)
The relevant times under discussion are: the era of the Apple II which came with built-in Basic, and the era of post-OSX but pre-iPhone
Re:Apple's Mistake by rbanffy on Friday November 20, 2009 @06:47AM (#952266)
The Apple II... A computer you could turn on and start programming in 3 seconds... When will we be able to do that again ;-) ?