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Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by afarrell on Thursday May 07, 2015 @10:45AM (#9505389)
Those curious about MIT's role should 1) Read Prof Hal Abelson's report http://swartz-report.mit.edu/ 2) Remember that a prosecutor does not serve the person who reported a crime or prompted an investigation. A prosecutor serves The State http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=1423
Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by yarrel on Thursday May 07, 2015 @12:13PM (#9506125)
MIT's neutrality really comes through as a badge of shame there.
Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by Zigurd on Thursday May 07, 2015 @02:39PM (#9507265)
That report is a shameful whitewash
Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by tptacek on Thursday May 07, 2015 @07:22PM (#9509076)
You're accusing Hal Abelson of deliberately deceiving the public? Or is there a better way to interpret what you wrote?
Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by Zigurd on Thursday May 07, 2015 @07:33PM (#9509112)
If you look at my response below, the report does not have to be an outright lie to be a whitewash. It can deceive by omission, for example. The headline of CNN's coverage of the report was "We did not target Aaron." That's true-ish. There's a lot of room between there and the truth, which is more like "We failed to stand up to stop a bad investigation and prosecution, and now we're dodging responsibility."

Would you place all the responsibility for the report on Abelson? Or do you think Rafael Reif is responsible for setting the parameters of the report to be produced?

Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by tptacek on Thursday May 07, 2015 @07:54PM (#9509192)
That's why I used the word "deceive", as you did right here as well, and so I guess my response is to repeat the question I asked above.

Do you really believe Hal Abelson was deliberately or negligently --- ie, culpably --- deceptive?

later: added clarifying word "really"

Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by Zigurd on Thursday May 07, 2015 @09:25PM (#9509505)
"Deceptive" is your word. I said "whitewash."

A whitewash is dissembling and deflecting and, ultimately, deceptive. Abelson, and the other authors of the report should have refused to write it.

But Reif is mostly to blame. He asked for the report, and used it to deflect blame.

Now here is where YOU are being deceptive. You are digging for "Hal Abelson is culpably deceptive." You would even prefer something stronger. That's a weak rhetorical ploy. Write it yourself if you want to read it.

Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by tptacek on Friday May 08, 2015 @12:53AM (#9510016)
"Deceptive is your word. I said 'whitewash'. A whitewash is [...] ultimately deceptive."

I don't feel like I'm so much trying to use debate tactics against you as to observe how uncomfortable even you seem to be with the idea that Hal Abelson was deliberately deceptive.

Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by Zigurd on Friday May 08, 2015 @09:21AM (#9511506)
So you are completely comfortable defending the Abelson report, and find it completely honest. That's dandy.

Are you still comfortable with your comments here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4529484

Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by tptacek on Friday May 08, 2015 @10:57AM (#9512033)
Yes. And, yes. Why? What does that have to do with Abelson's report?
Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by afarrell on Thursday May 07, 2015 @02:48PM (#9507343)
Do you have sources to contradict it?
Re:The internet’s own boy: the story of Aaron Swartz [video] by Zigurd on Thursday May 07, 2015 @06:32PM (#9508826)
Contradict what? The report amounts to "It wasn't our fault because, except for the people we won't name, and won't say what they told law enforcement, nobody here told Aaron to kill himself."

That doesn't need to be contradicted to call it weak sauce and whitewash.