Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons

Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by nickysielicki on Thursday May 07, 2015 @12:06AM (#9503222)

The silver lining of all these entirely misguided and ineffective laws is that it's going to push the non-"terrorist"[0], law abiding, good people towards Tor and other secure communications, inherently strengthening them.

The terrorists and pedophiles are already on there anyway. And the powers that be can't do anything about it.

We seriously need more computer scientists in politics, or even better, we need computer sciences and technical literacy to be requirements for anyone getting a college degree, no matter what they're studying.

[0]: terrorist in quotes because I don't believe in the word. Terrorism is doublespeak, and it always has been.

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Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by Canada on Thursday May 07, 2015 @12:45AM (#9503334)

I'm in complete agreement with you that this will provide much needed motivation for adoption of technical security.

I have to wonder though, does technical literacy or computer science training really cause a person to respect basic civil liberties?

The people who built the mass surveillance apparatus must be just as much a part of the technical community as anyone here.

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Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by coldpie on Thursday May 07, 2015 @09:00AM (#9504692)

It would help avoid the stupid nonsense calls for "backdoors to encryption," because people with such an education would realize that "backdoors to encryption" is identical to "no encryption whatsoever."

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Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by badloginagain on Thursday May 07, 2015 @11:00AM (#9505517)

| [0]: terrorist in quotes because I don't believe in the word. Terrorism is doublespeak, and it always has been.

Under C-51, you just broke the law if you are Canadian.

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Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by nickysielicki on Thursday May 07, 2015 @01:48PM (#9506892)

heh, what part?

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Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by totony on Saturday May 09, 2015 @01:22PM (#9516980)

The part where a judge can decide you did

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Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by rayiner on Thursday May 07, 2015 @12:40AM (#9503316)

What does understanding how computers work have to do with your political views about how people should be able to use computers?

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Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by nickysielicki on Thursday May 07, 2015 @12:50AM (#9503342)

I'm giving these politicians the benefit of the doubt and assuming they truly believe these laws could be effective, and that they truly want what's best for their country.

But these laws obviously are not going to be effective. The people we have to worry about, the extremists, the perverts, the druggies, they're not able to be controlled anyway. What good is a law that locks someone's bank account and takes down someone's website when you don't know who they are and you don't know where their server is?

The point is: They're misinformed if they think this is actually going to thwart terrorism, or extremism, or communications of anyone who is actually discussing sensitive things. And they need to be educated, so that they can understand that.

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Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by irixusr on Thursday May 07, 2015 @12:11AM (#9503240)

There was a recent article on HN on how government is now actively harassing tor exit nodes.

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Re:Bill C-51 passes in House of Commons by nickysielicki on Thursday May 07, 2015 @12:52AM (#9503347)

that's an issue with the state of tor, not an issue with tor itself. It can and will improve.

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