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Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by stephenr on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @11:11PM (#9496404)
Rsync.net is even cheaper, has no requirement for a custom client, and arguably are more dependable because they're not just reselling S3

Edit: not to mention they offer actual support not just "contact the author" email link as a last resort.

Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by dmix on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @11:34PM (#9496470)
I personally just trust Colin's crypto skills more than anyone.
Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by stephenr on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @11:43PM (#9496492)
So you're saying you trust a single developer to both write an encryption tool and run the servers it talks to more than the combined possibilities using existing open source tools to create backups by encrypting data locally and storing it remotely via ssh/sftp?
Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by dmix on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @11:53PM (#9496517)
Yes, when it comes to crypto I'd put my in trust in highly talented people over trusting my own ability to glue together a collection of OSS tools anyday.
Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by stephenr on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @12:09AM (#9496542)
You seem to have misunderstood me.

I didn't suggest you should write your own encryption tool. There are numerous open source tools for creating encrypted backups, some do deduplication first too.

If the tool doesn't happen to support remote storage, a simple rsync or scp fills that part.

Literally the only thing unique about this service is the use of the term picodollars and the single individual it's all reliant on.

Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by NhanH on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @12:57AM (#9496657)
It's the dropbox discussion all over again. We know how that turned out, don't we?
Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by stephenr on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @02:38AM (#9496917)
Would you care to elaborate?
Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by NhanH on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @02:59AM (#9496978)
When Drew first do a "Show HN" [0] (before it was a thing, actually), there were a lot of response about how it doesn't do anything new that couldn't be already done by a technical inclined person (see the first two top comments in the posts).

To make a comparison with tarsnap, while it's probably possible to do encrypted backup manually with a combination of shellscript and such, there are just too many moving pieces that can go wrong. Where do you store the backup? Someone mentions S3, but even managing backup on S3 with deduplication is not something trivial, and managing the encryption process is definitely not something most of us can say with confident we won't mess up. I can imagine a thousand way that I encrypt something, then unable to decrypt it back.

And then maintenance is also an issue, if I'm using a set of OSS tools, I would have to make sure the tool is being maintained, and to follow any potential disclosure on bug/ updates etc. With Tarsnap, I know I will get an email from cperciva if something comes up.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by stephenr on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @03:13AM (#9497017)
As I already stated I never said you or I or most people should write our own encryption tools.

There are many open source backup tools. They offer a wide range of features such as data deduplication, references/hard links to simulate total backups without copying unchanged files, data compression, data encryption, logging, reporting, remote storage and/or remote sync.

Not all tools offer all features. Not all features work the same way, but there are many options.

Those that don't offer remote storage/sync can be setup very simply to backup locally and then sync/copy to your remote file store of choice - another server, s3, rsync.net, etc

The majority of these tools are shipped as part of Linux distribution repos, so there are almost certainly many more people using them, and multiple people with a vested interest in maintaining them.

And for reference, I agree with the comment(s) about Dropbox. The only difference is that they offer a more intuitive GUI which so far is lacking in open solutions.

Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by NhanH on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @03:27AM (#9497063)
I didn't mention writing encryption tools, I was simply saying that plugging all the available tools to use together is non-trivial.

Tarsnap to encrypted backup is what dropbox to file syncing (to a certain extent, obviously). I can understand why for someone knowledgeable like you, the benefit isn't obvious, just like we don't see the benefit of dropbox over other tools. But certain demographics will see tarsnap/ dropbox as value added, and is willing to pay for them (with good reason, too).

I know a lot of developers who have never spin up an EC2 instance, can't get their way around setting up a server, and certainly is not interested in maintaining an offsite server for backup. To them, tarsnap with its command line provide enough simplicity to be used (of course, it can be much better, as patio11 and alot of people pointed out).

Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by stephenr on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @03:42AM (#9497100)
Plugging together?

I'm talking about working tools. They either do everything when invoked, or write to a file/dir on disk that can then have rsync invoked to copy offsite.

Im talking about maybe a 4 line shell script, if that.

If someone can't handle that amount of setup, maybe they shouldn't be the person setting up mission critical backups?

Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by pronoiac on Wednesday May 06, 2015 @11:00AM (#9499109)
Check out the key roles; you can split up writing and deleting archives, so - for example - a hacked machine can't delete the archives. This is nice.
Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by GhotiFish on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @11:24PM (#9496438)
I contacted the author today. He responded to me in 30 seconds.
Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by stephenr on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @11:46PM (#9496501)
Try in 18 hours. Can you call him when something fails?

I'm not saying he isn't responsive I'm saying depending on a one-man-band who is responsible for the client software, server software and the underlying storage system (ie he is the owner of the s3 account) seems like a huge risk.

Re:Tarsnap performance issues in late March, most of April by vacri on Tuesday May 05, 2015 @11:50PM (#9496513)
I assume he still has to sleep, at least on some days. :)