On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to go to counseling’

Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by Jtsummers on Friday May 01, 2015 @10:01AM (#9471281)

Politics and image. Even if they're not liable in any civil or criminal sense for his behavior or treatment, a student suicide on campus would be bad for business. It brings unwanted publicity to the school, and a lot of nosy reporting (though it may not last long).

But even if they're not liable, they're still, to some extent, responsible for the students at their university. 18-22 year olds are adults, but many are still developing emotionally and have just moved from living at home and the K-12 educational model into an environment where they're expected to be independent and fully self-responsible, and the academic work is likely far harder and more stressful than anything they've ever experienced before. It's a transition period and the university is, rightly or wrongly, viewed as a pseudo-guardian during this time. If they don't provide the image of performing this role, then they'll be viewed poorly.

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Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by cmdrfred on Friday May 01, 2015 @10:46AM (#9471680)

Being an adult is a boolean not a integer, either you are responsible for yourself or you aren't. If you aren't other people get to make decisions for you (because you aren't intelligent enough/emotionally mature/whatever), if you are you get to decide for yourself but you alone face the consequences. It's time for this generation, my generation to get off the fence (AKA their parents couch) and decide, are you an adult or not? If no, put down the alcohol, and e-cigarette until you are.

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Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by DanBC on Friday May 01, 2015 @11:33AM (#9472085)

> Being an adult is a boolean not a integer, either you are responsible for yourself or you aren't.

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"Capacity" is variable. Someone may have capacity to feed themselves but not to make financial decisions. They might have capacity to give assent, but not consent, for surgery, but have capacity to give consent for other medical treatment.

When you remove capacity you should restrict that to the minimum actions you need to take to protect that person from harm.

Of course, that's all England which operates to European human rights laws which operates to international human rights treaties. Things might be different in the US.

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Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by totony on Friday May 01, 2015 @01:37PM (#9473124)

I agree with you on this, but once they admit to not being fully emotionally mature, it seems immoral to make the person think you are going to help him to simply reject and ignore him as soon as he seeks help.

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