Re:Tesla Plans to Open Car Doors to All Hackers This Summer
by Sir_Cmpwn on Tuesday April 28, 2015 @01:43PM
(#9454020)
What if the car sent out the signal and the fob received it, then sent an unlock command?
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Re:Tesla Plans to Open Car Doors to All Hackers This Summer
by TheLoneWolfling on Tuesday April 28, 2015 @01:48PM
(#9454051)
Note the vice versa:
In that case device B picks up on the unlock command and relays is back to device A which rebroadcasts the unlock command to the car.
Re:Tesla Plans to Open Car Doors to All Hackers This Summer
by Sir_Cmpwn on Tuesday April 28, 2015 @01:57PM
(#9454095)
Presumably the request could be signed.
Re:Tesla Plans to Open Car Doors to All Hackers This Summer
by mikeash on Tuesday April 28, 2015 @02:03PM
(#9454145)
Signatures do nothing to prevent blind relaying. Transmitting through an amplifying relay in this attack looks identical to transmitting through free space, aside from the received power level and propagation delay.
Re:Tesla Plans to Open Car Doors to All Hackers This Summer
by Sir_Cmpwn on Tuesday April 28, 2015 @02:14PM
(#9454200)
I'm suggesting that the car sends out a constant, signed signal to a certain range. The rob receives it and sends an unlock signal back to the car.
Re:Tesla Plans to Open Car Doors to All Hackers This Summer
by dangrossman on Tuesday April 28, 2015 @02:20PM
(#9454224)
The amplifier relays that signed signal to the fob. The fob receives it and its unlock signal is relayed back to the car.
No matter what tricky message protocol you come up with, it won't matter. The car and the fob can't detect the difference between being next to each other, and being next to a set of relays rebroadcasting their signals. Not by reading and transmitting radio signals at least.