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Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by ahallock on Friday April 24, 2015 @11:57AM (#9434187)
People seem to buy this idea of patents on FUD: "No one will invent things if they can't have a monopoly on their invention." But is that the case in reality? I'd like to see some empirical evidence that the amount of inventions goes down critically without patents.

Even if the number of inventions went down, there are always upsides. Less time and money wasted on litigation and better products for consumers.

Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by rhino369 on Friday April 24, 2015 @02:16PM (#9435074)
Pharmaceuticals are the classic example of why patents are necessary. Billions of R&D to develop a product that can be produced by a competitor for pennies.

But things like complex circuits would see drastic reduction in R&D if competitors could just make a copy.

You'd save money on litigation, but it's not that much considering the size of the industries at play.

And you'd probably see worse products after the short term.

Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by chongli on Friday April 24, 2015 @05:43PM (#9436187)
Pharmaceuticals are the classic example of why patents are necessary. Billions of R&D to develop a product that can be produced by a competitor for pennies.

If you took more than a cursory glance at the pharmaceutical industry, you'd see this oft-repeated claim is bullshit. Pharmaceutical companies spend billions on marketing (as well as lobbying politicians and doctors) and attempting to re-patent old drugs as their patents expire. They spend very little on blue sky, highly innovative drug development. That is mainly the province of publicly funded research labs and universities.

The one thing pharmaceutical companies actually do is cover the high cost of clinical trials. I see no reason we couldn't replace that with a publicly funded mechanism, do you?

Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by bcg1 on Friday April 24, 2015 @02:46PM (#9435292)
Industry-specific concerns like that could easily be addressed privately by trade associations that have incentive to prevent the sort of mutually assured destruction that you describe.
Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by rhino369 on Friday April 24, 2015 @02:52PM (#9435328)
You mean by creating an agreement to not compete? That is illegal.

It effects all industries that have R&D, those are just good examples.

Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by Karunamon on Friday April 24, 2015 @05:37PM (#9436164)
We're discussing overhauls to the legal system - the fact that it's illegal now doesn't enter into it.
Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by rhino369 on Friday April 24, 2015 @05:42PM (#9436181)
I'll put it another way, it would be stupid to let entire industries write their own non-competition agreements. That is monopolist behavior. Unless the repeal of the Patent Act coincides with the repeal of the Sherman Act, it would be illegal still.
Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by throwawaykf05 on Friday April 24, 2015 @03:43PM (#9435609)
There are tons of empirical studies showing the effects, good and bad, of patent systems using historical as well as more recent data. For instance studies of historical fairs have shown that the introduction of a patent system greatly increased the rate of innovation in fields where other protection was not previously available. On the other hand there are studies showing that patent tickets in some industries caused slowdowns in progress. There is significant evidence of various benefits and costs. The problem is, these pros and cons are not directly comparable so nobody can say one outweighs the other.
Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by Karunamon on Friday April 24, 2015 @12:59PM (#9434549)
The same FUD applies to copyright - the sheer amount of free (as in speech) artwork out there handily disproves the "no one will do things" argument.
Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by rhino369 on Friday April 24, 2015 @02:09PM (#9435038)
Some types of work would definitely survive in a copyright free universe. But many wouldn't. You wouldn't have full time authors. Musicians would mercilessly rip off each others songs.

Forget about tv, high budget video games, movies, etc. That stuff takes serious investment to make.

Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by mehrzad on Friday April 24, 2015 @02:26PM (#9435155)
>Musicians would mercilessly rip off each others songs.

This is a ridiculous claim. DIY and free music culture has made a lot of unique stuff. Have you heard of the band "Bomb the Music Industry!"? That was their whole thing. Musicians already copy each other in general, but the problem would not get worse.

Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by rhino369 on Friday April 24, 2015 @02:55PM (#9435339)
There is already a lot of ripping off going on in music, having no consequences would exacerbate the situation.
Re:Congress: Stop Trying to Limit EFF’s Ability to Challenge... by Guvante on Friday April 24, 2015 @12:53PM (#9434501)
IIRC without patents you have trade secrets, patents ensure the details are more widely known (in theory).