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Re:‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility by joe_the_user on Thursday April 23, 2015 @06:19PM (#9430260)
Hmm,

The explanation that I get from article for the shift to training more metal workers is that a highly skilled metal worker winds-up being more akin to an engineer - that aspects of metal work are too complex to be understood by just theoretical knowledge of the engineers. Thus the robots in the factories duplicate the processes which both metal workers and engineers create. But if you get rid of the metal workers, you are left not able to change your processes or create new, effective processes.

Re:‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility by NamTaf on Thursday April 23, 2015 @11:32PM (#9431298)
Some tradestaff do progress in to 'engineering' roles and in many professional engineering organisations there's provision for recognising this. They tend to be given a title like 'technical officer' and their role is to do the engineering with a bit less maths and a bit more hands-on experience.

Recognising and upskilling the best tradestaff into these roles is one of the most important aspects of a successful mechanical design organisation, as far as I'm concerned. They deliver a critical insight that your degree-educated, never-worked-away-from-a-desk engineers simply lack, because those engineers haven't spent years bending and cutting steel to understand exactly how far you can push the processes.

Example: I've just finished redesigning a proposed lifting device where some idiot engineer had specified steel bent in a radius of half its thickness. Any manufacturing tradestaff will tell you this is complete insanity as the rule of thumb is ~1.5-2* thickness as a minimum radius - any tighter and you rapidly start tearing the material apart along its grains. It's just not done. Yet there's clearly an engineer out there who didn't even consider it and sure enough, as soon as we crack tested the bent area, about 1/3 of the items had cracks.

This is the critical stress area of a proposed lifting device so that's basically a cardinal rule broken, because the manufacturing defect (the tear in the metal) will propagate into a crack over successive lifting cycles until the whole thing breaks in half and the several tonnes of load it's supporting falls back down. Had the engineer talked to literally any tradesperson they would've known to avoid this, yet here we are.

Re:‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility by mauricemir on Friday April 24, 2015 @05:51AM (#9432232)
er yes their always has been a vocation route it normally goes

Trade Apprentice -> Technician (associate professional) -> Engineer -> Ceng (PE)

Some Cultures make it harder to actually progress all the way Germany used to be realy bad.

Re:‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility by jdjdps on Thursday April 23, 2015 @06:25PM (#9430289)
Until the machines learn to learn...