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Re:I Was an Animal Experimenter by logfromblammo on Tuesday April 21, 2015 @10:57AM (#9414443)
I recently attended a parents' meeting for the elementary school science fair. If the 5th-grade students were doing an experiment that involved animals, they had to fill out a stack of forms and collect the signature of a vet. If the experiment involved humans--even if that involvement was as simple as answering a question--each human participant had to sign a form.

My kid, who also attended, said, "I'm doing my experiment on plants."

Elementary school science fair! If you want to condition your own dog to salivate at the sound of a bell, you need to fill out additional paperwork and get your vet to approve. I can only imagine what load of crap university scientists have to wade through to get any research done.

Re:I Was an Animal Experimenter by tomjen3 on Tuesday April 21, 2015 @12:08PM (#9415009)
Annoying? Likely, but once you have seen the abuses that have taken place over the last 50 years you will see why that is necessary.
Re:I Was an Animal Experimenter by logfromblammo on Wednesday April 22, 2015 @11:34AM (#9421160)
You don't need a D.V.M. to know what animal cruelty is, and you don't need a Ph.D. to determine whether the human participation in your experiment is unethical.

We don't need more gatekeepers dictating morality to us.

The abuses demand oversight, it is true. But that oversight does not require professional qualifications. Something that shocks the conscience of a Nobel laureate will likely also shock the conscience of high-school dropouts. The very same peer jury system that is capable of condemning a criminal human to state execution or awarding millions of dollars in civil restitution can certainly determine whether a method of sacrificing research animals to science is acceptable or not.

The same public concerns that led to the retrofit of commercial slaughterhouses with more humane Grandin animal handling systems can be applied to research animals. My suggestion is this: for any given experiment that involves potential harm or injury to animals, assemble a randomized, unbiased, volunteer jury of at least 12 people. Explain to them the goals of the experiment and the protocols, and the proposed animal involvement. If no more than 25% of the jury objects, the experiment may begin immediately. Otherwise, rewrite the protocols and try again. Ethics approval could take days instead of months.