'get to the level' of ISE... I disagree. I do not want to build an IDE. I want an open toolchain, the thing that the ISE interface calls. There is some math in there that takes certain skills to implement, but I know several people who could do it if they had the layout of the chips. MAYBE the reason there are no open toolchains 'on the level' of ISE and competitors is not because Xilinx has some amazing secret sauce and is instead because the whole industry is caustically secretive and horribly anti competition.