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Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by wppick on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:03AM (#9388392)
Can we just get rid of grass lawns already... replace it with something that looks good and doesn't need water and weekly cutting
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by Brakenshire on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:33AM (#9388661)
If the alternative is some more appropriate local plant or plants, then great. If the alternative is concrete or astroturf, please don't.

The trend of people paving over their front gardens for car parking is causing a lot of flooding problems in the UK (because water runs straight off concrete, and isn't absorbed). It also makes the general environment much less pleasant and human if everything surrounding roads is paved as far as the eye can see, rather than filled with gardens, whether they're wild or highly tended. You end up with these grim concrete tunnels of development where no one wants to spend their time. That in turn damages pedestrian culture, and the health and social benefits which go with it.

Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by at-fates-hands on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:13AM (#9388482)
Not sure if this was sarcasm or not, but having a lot of landscaping architecture friends it's an interesting idea.

In places where grass is hard to grow (Southwestern US) you see a lot of rock varieties and other materials that they substitute for grass and it looks great.

Just Google, "las vegas yards" and look at the image search.

The last place I lived, my neighbor was tired of his grass in his bakyard (about a 1/4 acre) so he created a huge concrete terrace in his back yard, along with a large rubber hard court for basketball and other activities for his and the neighborhood kids. He still kept his small front yard grass, but the entire backyard was now completely utilitarian.

Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by rmxt on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:21AM (#9388548)
Yay for (sub?)urban heat island growth! :(

Not sure where the last place you lived was, but I hope that if it were the desert, that there's some sort of aesthetically pleasing option that exists between a water hungry green grass lawn, and an asphalt or impervious concrete surface. Even if it's not the desert, permeable paving sounds like a win-win solution for aesthetics, functionality, and environmental impact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeable_paving

Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by at-fates-hands on Thursday April 16, 2015 @12:39PM (#9389090)
It was in North Dakota, and I wonder if this is what he was using. I remember him going on and on about how environmentally friendly these pavers were and how they could filter water and last a longer than normal concrete pavers have have virtually no maintenance costs.

Either way, it looked really nice and had me thinking about the maintenance and costs of my yard.

Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by patorjk on Thursday April 16, 2015 @12:29PM (#9389039)
When I lived in the New Mexico in the early 90's people started overhauling their grass yards with rock landscaping (with a few plants dotted in). The results tended to look great. I'm surprised this hasn't taken off in more places across the country.
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by dwb on Thursday April 16, 2015 @12:06PM (#9388898)
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by ptaipale on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:20AM (#9388542)
Yeah, an Astroturf home lawn is what we want.

Seriously, lawns, like other parts of gardens, are something that people do for hobby - they like the work. Yes, it is somewhat contradictory that then people also want to avoid the chores of mowing. A rock garden may be better but anything will need maintenance work to look neat.

Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by mrfusion on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:09AM (#9388438)
Agreed. I think it's so amazing we actually make up work for ourselves.
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by oh_sigh on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:33AM (#9388655)
It's not "making up work". People value a lawn, and put in work to maintain it. I find it funny that so many people on hacker news don't understand this concept. I'm sure a lot of people here would love to live in a concrete cube and drink soylent all day long while plugged into the internet on their oculus VR, but it's shocking to me that you can't comprehend how other people can value different things from yourself.
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by mangodrunk on Thursday April 16, 2015 @03:52PM (#9390380)
You're presenting a false dichotomy. Sure, you may value a lawn, but it comes at a price with little return. There's environmental issues with lawns. No, that doesn't mean putting in concrete would be better. Here's some examples: http://www.sunset.com/garden/earth-friendly/lose-the-lawn-lo...

You can have a space filled with vegetables, fruits, shrubs etc.

Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by cpwright on Thursday April 16, 2015 @05:29PM (#9390844)
There is a lot of work involved in vegetables and fruits, and to some degree shrubs. Most anything that you like, deer will also like. You also can't as easily run around and play various games in something that has shrubs all over it. All of the examples you are showing are, in my opinion, trying to create an outdoor sitting room; which is not what many families want (in my case, I have a deck for that).

I don't water my grass, and it isn't as pretty as some people's yards; but it is perfectly fine for playing in; and looks decent enough.

The whole "sprinkler systems are bad" argument doesn't hold much water in suburban NY.

Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by oh_sigh on Thursday April 16, 2015 @10:00PM (#9391898)
> with little return

Isn't that the entire point of my post? That different people value things differently? You may see it as "little return", but other people may not.

There are environmental issues with lawns in some locations. I don't suggest having a lawn in the desert. There are a ton of areas throughout the US where having a lawn is just fine, and is environmentally neutral.

Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by abetaha on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:14AM (#9388488)
In Arizona and other water starved states they use artificial grass in their lawns, and some of them look reasonable. I am starting to see the trend in the bay area as well.
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by oh_sigh on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:31AM (#9388638)
Instead of not having grass yards, maybe people should just go the full mile and not live in areas completely inhospitable to human life?
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by ido on Thursday April 16, 2015 @12:41PM (#9389100)
A watered desert is actually extremely humanly hospitable for the majority of the year (probably more so than less temperate areas like central & eastern europe or the midwest).
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by eru on Thursday April 16, 2015 @01:31PM (#9389427)
Central and Eastern Europe are bearable, if you put clothes on.
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by ido on Friday April 17, 2015 @08:04AM (#9393730)
The high deserts of the western united states (generally speaking) even more so :)
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by CPLX on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:54AM (#9388820)
Like New England in the winter?
Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by oh_sigh on Thursday April 16, 2015 @11:29AM (#9388621)
Water is not scarce in a lot of areas.

Also, you make it sound like the government is paying for people to cut their yards. People do it themselves out of their own free will.

Re:The Roomba for Lawns Is Really Pissing Off Astronomers by milesokeefe on Thursday April 16, 2015 @04:03PM (#9390444)
>People do it themselves out of their own free will.

In many places in the US, you are legally required to keep your lawn below a certain height, and not just in HOA neighborhoods, it is often enforced by the city.