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Re:Intent to deprecate: Insecure HTTP by blowski on Monday April 13, 2015 @02:59PM (#9369636)
So why not require HTTPS, and let a thousand "make HTTPS simple" startups bloom? Seems like we're saying "we should just accept insecurity because we can't think of an alternative".
Re:Intent to deprecate: Insecure HTTP by chc on Monday April 13, 2015 @03:13PM (#9369736)
> So why not require HTTPS, and let a thousand "make HTTPS simple" startups bloom?

Much the same reason we don't all cut our hands off and let a thousand prosthetics startups bloom, I think.

> Seems like we're saying "we should just accept insecurity because we can't think of an alternative".

It seems more like we're saying "We should unnecessarily break the free Web and just cross our fingers that somebody figures out how to fix it sooner or later."

Re:Intent to deprecate: Insecure HTTP by blowski on Monday April 13, 2015 @03:27PM (#9369828)
The analogy doesn't hold. There's absolutely no value in all chopping off our hands, but there _is_ value in requiring all traffic to go over HTTPS.

We can deprecate HTTPS for a decade without actually disabling it, and in the unlikely event that we _don't_ figure it out, we can undeprecate it some years later.

Re:Intent to deprecate: Insecure HTTP by chc on Monday April 13, 2015 @03:49PM (#9369971)
> there _is_ value in requiring all traffic to go over HTTPS.

I'm not so sure. It seems to me that there is almost no value in requiring all traffic to go over HTTPS compared to requiring a subset of traffic to go over HTTPS.

> We can deprecate HTTPS for a decade without actually disabling it, and in the unlikely event that we _don't_ figure it out, we can undeprecate it some years later.

If you want to deprecate it in name only, I guess I can't object since we wouldn't actually be doing anything. I'd figured this would involve trying to hinder HTTP use (similar to how we make self-signed certificates a royal PITA). At any rate, I think you're overestimating the likelihood that we'll figure it out in the short term — particularly given that the proposed happy scenario is to deprecate HTTP and then have thousands of additional for-profit actors trying to put themselves between people and the ability to have websites.